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LUBEGUY07
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posted December 06, 2004 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LUBEGUY07   Click Here to Email LUBEGUY07     send a private message to LUBEGUY07   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we are building a 351W and are wondering whats the best stock cast head to run. i been told the 68 to 73 351w head is the best is this true if so is there a certain casting number to be looking for thanks for your time

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akadirtracer7
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posted December 06, 2004 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for akadirtracer7   Click Here to Email akadirtracer7     send a private message to akadirtracer7   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
do a search in the forum that ? is asked alot GT40 or GT40p are factory production heads that are good.Mid 90's exploreres had them and possibley svt p/u

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outlawstock17
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posted December 06, 2004 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outlawstock17   Click Here to Email outlawstock17     send a private message to outlawstock17   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's a flow chart on stock ford heads...


Intake Flow @ 28" H20

.100" .200" .300" .400" .500"
GT-40P 61 128 169 195 196
GT-40 54 107 157 183 192
E7TE 59 114 144 156 156
'69 351W 52 103 149 174 183
289 50 97 127 156 165

Exhaust Flow @ 28" H20

.100" .200" .300" .400" .500"
GT-40P 52 90 123 135 139
GT-40 47 94 119 128 128
E7TE 42 78 105 115 116
'69 351W 48 77 100 113 118
289 37 71 93 104 107

these are the best unported factory windsor heads from best to worst:

1. GT-40P
2. GT-40
3. '69 351W
4. 289
5. E7TE

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Special Ed
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posted December 06, 2004 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Special Ed     send a private message to Special Ed   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey outlawstock17 that is some very interesting information. If you don't mind me asking, where did you get it? Thanks.

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outlawstock17
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posted December 06, 2004 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outlawstock17   Click Here to Email outlawstock17     send a private message to outlawstock17   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
....from an internet site. i can't remember where, it's been a while, but the guy done some bench testing and posted the numbers.

also, there are characteristics other than flow numbers to consider. the 289 head has the smallest combustion chamber, but big valves are shrouded by the small chamber. the '69 351W heads have the next smallest combustion chamber, bigger valves and are the best compromise between compression and flow plus if you grind the thermactor boss out of the exhaust port, they're even better.

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LUBEGUY07
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posted December 07, 2004 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LUBEGUY07   Click Here to Email LUBEGUY07     send a private message to LUBEGUY07   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok thanks for the info , ill try to find a set of gt40p thanks again

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Raz_900
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posted December 08, 2004 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raz_900   Click Here to Email Raz_900     send a private message to Raz_900   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A side note, the GT40p has a different exhaust to spark plug location. Typical 'old school' headers may not give enough room for plugs. Just something to think about.

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Special Ed
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posted December 08, 2004 08:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Special Ed     send a private message to Special Ed   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Headers will definately be an issue. Wound up using some off of a Ford truck but we got them used and never knew what year model. We also could not find any manifolds that would work either.

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J3
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posted December 16, 2004 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for J3     send a private message to J3   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.stangpro.com/

Here is the internet site that outlawstock17 got the information from. Hope it helps some people out. Also, with the gt40p heads, headers or stock exhaust manifolds don't fit either. They do make a set of shorty headers just for the 40p heads that I know works on the fox body ford cars. Just do a search for them. I belive I bought mine form either summit or jegs.


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dode
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posted December 16, 2004 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dode   Click Here to Email dode     send a private message to dode   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote UIN: 13209501
There's a lot of headers out there now that will work with the P heads.

John

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Special Ed
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posted December 16, 2004 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Special Ed     send a private message to Special Ed   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks J3.

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LUBEGUY07
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posted December 20, 2004 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LUBEGUY07   Click Here to Email LUBEGUY07     send a private message to LUBEGUY07   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
will the gt-40p stock exshaust manifolds off anf 97 explore work in a 79 ltd , we cant use headers, any ideas guys. thanks in advace

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LUBEGUY07
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posted December 20, 2004 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LUBEGUY07   Click Here to Email LUBEGUY07     send a private message to LUBEGUY07   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
anybody?

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ford5
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posted December 21, 2004 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ford5   Click Here to Email ford5     send a private message to ford5   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think those year Explorers had factory headers on them?

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outlawstock17
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posted December 21, 2004 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for outlawstock17   Click Here to Email outlawstock17     send a private message to outlawstock17   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ford5:
I think those year Explorers had factory headers on them?

they did....and boy are they goofy looking.


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9HELBLIG
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posted December 22, 2004 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 9HELBLIG     send a private message to 9HELBLIG   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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They make a cast iron manifold for the p heads. They are a strange looking creation.

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thomas66
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posted December 22, 2004 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thomas66   Click Here to Email thomas66     send a private message to thomas66   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote UIN: 66
what are the rules that specifically define what a production head is? what i mean by this is that a 351c head will bolt to a 351w with using a 351c intake due to design. this is a stock production head that comes with 208 valves in the 2bl version. 4bl heads (wich are too big) come with 224 valves. now i say this because at the track you normaly run anywhere from 55 to 7500 rpms. these heads will make huge amounts of power. and they are stock 350 cid heads. mabey not made in windsor but is a ford 351. hope ya can use this lil bit of info

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outlawstock17
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posted December 22, 2004 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for outlawstock17   Click Here to Email outlawstock17     send a private message to outlawstock17   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by thomas66:
what are the rules that specifically define what a production head is? what i mean by this is that a 351c head will bolt to a 351w with using a 351c intake due to design. this is a stock production head that comes with 208 valves in the 2bl version. 4bl heads (wich are too big) come with 224 valves. now i say this because at the track you normaly run anywhere from 55 to 7500 rpms. these heads will make huge amounts of power. and they are stock 350 cid heads. mabey not made in windsor but is a ford 351. hope ya can use this lil bit of info

a 351c intake WILL NOT bolt onto a 351w block with 351c heads. the deck height is different and there is no water provision on a 351c intake. you have to use a specialty aftermarket intake and modify the 351c heads to do this conversion. you're off on the 351c valve sizes too...

351c 2v - 2.04"/1.65"
351c 4v - 2.19"/1.71"


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thomas66
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posted December 24, 2004 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thomas66   Click Here to Email thomas66     send a private message to thomas66   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote UIN: 66
well with that being said then i would definetley gopt with the gt 40 head but headers will be an issure what i say is this what they dont know wont hurt them port the living **** out of them lol not like thy arent doing it.... if every car was broken down every weekend we would never have a winner everyone wants the edge... sorry for the misleading info on th 351c intake my b thought different!!!

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JLJ06
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posted January 04, 2005 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JLJ06     send a private message to JLJ06   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

The explorer stock manifolds will fit a fox body chassis with some custome exhaust work.

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