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Author Topic:   No more Fram for me
posted September 22, 2004 12:45 PM
I have always heard the stories about fram oil filters but never paid them much mind b/c thats all I ever used w/ no problems, well if your by pass is not plugged your pressure will be fine b/c its not going through the Filter! We fired up a fresh 406 from Jr motorsporsts and decided to plug the bypass on this one, well it held pressure for about 30 seconds and started dropping, scratched heads for a while thought about filter, installed wix, 60 pounds all day long. So to everyone who thinks there fram is doing the job, its not. You probally have not blocked your bypass and the oil is flowing right around the filter, block your bypass and you will see. My question is what is the point of having a filter that is so tight the oil wont even flow through it? I gaurantee its doing it on stock motors also, people just dont realize it b/c its flowing through the bypass. You would think fram would fix this problem.

posted September 22, 2004 08:35 PM
Fram has a few things that keep a ton of people buying their product good advertising, good product placement(walmart)and a cheap price. Why would they change they are making plenty of $$$$. Napa Gold for me. (wix)

sleepy 1h
posted September 23, 2004 03:33 AM
All I use are FRAM filters (HP's) and my bypass is blocked. Never ever had any trouble. Great filter. Never tried Wix. Sleepy

posted September 23, 2004 04:06 AM
If its a race engine, use a race filter, HP-4 or HP-1 ... I run one 2 nights and change everything. filters are the least of my worries, dry sump at 90 psi cold, 60+ all night never had an ounce of filter problems.
5.00 head , 5.00 helmet..... 2.00 engine, 2.00 filter.... see the similarity..?

posted September 23, 2004 10:35 AM
But what about everyone who is using the reg Fram on there everyday drivers? There not filtering ****. If it bypasses on a race motor with a stock oil pump it will do the same on a stock vehicle. Dont make much sense to me.

posted September 23, 2004 10:40 AM
had a fram on mine once, couldn't get it to hold pressure. changed to a K and N and had perfect pressure.

Brother had the same problem at the track one week later. chnaged the filter to a valvaline from the parts truck at the track. Worked fine.

I wont use a fram on any engine, not even my lawn mower.

posted September 23, 2004 10:52 AM
They will never get my buisness again.

posted September 23, 2004 12:00 PM
I agree with goinrcn44h and sleepy1h. I have used the Fram HP racing filters for years and have never have Never had a single problem. I have switched to the Wix racing filter but only because of price and availability. I wouldn't be afraid to put a Fram HP racing filter back on.

posted September 23, 2004 12:41 PM
There is a difference between the Fram racing filter and the off the shelf walmart style filter. I know several people who use the racing filter and havent had trouble. But I have also heard of people that have had trouble. Ask Steve Hendren, I beleive they have had several engines damaged by a Fram filter. He reccomends Wix racing filters, unless thing have changed.

I use and prefer WIX racing, and cant recall ever hearing people complain about the WIX. I wont even use a Fram on my street car.

posted September 23, 2004 05:39 PM
considering the majority of the nascar teams run wix, there must be a reason......and not just because wix gives them the filter.

bam bam
posted September 23, 2004 06:56 PM
i believe the napa racing filter is made by wix have never had a problem with anything i've ran except a [voodoo] fram do yourself a favor when you see a fram commercial envision getting a new motor.

posted September 23, 2004 08:04 PM
couple of years ago I had a motor lock up all of a sudden. I brought the motor to the builder, just to take it apart (he didnt build it, I did) and he pointed at the filter before I ever got out of the back of the truck and said....."thats what did it, right there"

he was right, we cut it in half and it had collapsed.....Motor junk.....Fram JUNK

I used them on my street cars too because they have that nifty gripy stuff on them and make changing it a breeze. now I wouldnt put one on my lawn mower.

posted September 23, 2004 08:20 PM
This is from Wix's site

The Filter By-Pass Valve
If a WIX full-flow filter becomes "clogged", or excessively restrictive to oil flow, the filter by-pass valve ensures continued engine lubrication by allowing the oil to by-pass the filter. Some vehicle manufacturers have the by-pass valve built into the oil filter mounting unit (located on the engine).

Other vehicle manufacturers require full-flow filters have the by-pass valve built into the filter itself. All Wix oil filter types recommended for these particular applications include the by-pass valve assembly in the filter.

By-pass Valve Assembly -- spring loaded valve assembly that allows oil to by-pass the element under high-differential pressure conditions such as cold oil and/or excessively contaminated media. This allows lubrication of the engine, but without full-flow filtration

What I get from this is that Wix's flow rate is so good it still allows the cold oil to pass through the filter w/ the bypass blocked, where the Fram will collapse b/c the cold oil will not flow. So maybe the fram is ok once the oil is at operating temp but if your going to block your by pass you must use a high quality racing filter.

maniac motors
posted October 30, 2004 05:37 PM
i work at a auto parts store and have seen the inside of a fram, a wix, and a parts master oil filter(made by purolator i believe)and i couldnt believe the fram filter what a hoax those things are i wouldnt run it on my lawnmower either!!the wix and parts master are similar with metal end caps i have used the parts master filters on my race motor for 2 full seasons now and after the 1st i tore it down to freshen it.what a waste of my time and money there was no wear at all and the cam had not even worn the black off the lobes yet.i change the oil and filter after evry other race and cut filter open to inspect and am very happy with the parts master filters

posted November 08, 2004 11:03 PM
I also work for a MAJOR parts store who has had 2 law suit incedents involving race engines,Fram oil filters, and Lost oil pressure. It's Wix for me. Food for thought

posted November 09, 2004 09:26 AM
You know this topic of Fram Filters FAILING comes up about 3 times a year on every message board I read.

NAPA(Wix) Racing Filters for me. Oh its good to have a filter sponsor.

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