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Burque
Member
posted August 03, 2004 12:37 PM
Well I am in a pinch I have had problems with my engine for the past few weeks (Info in my other post). Well I have been through three starters and cannot correct this problem. I get my starter lined up fine and works great for like the first 5 starts but after that it moves out of place and grinds and kicks back. I used a reman starter and currently have a new one (Duralast). I have changed the starter bolts, tightened them till I broke the housing, and shimmed it. I even built a starter support that attached to the block (made out of an 305 support). I have had other problems I thought this was part of but now I know this is a hole other problem.

The other post I have looked up on this say to use a support and most of things above. Will a mini-starter help this problem or make it worse? I donít want to spend that much more on a starter since I have already bought two of them and trashed a spare! Any one else have had this problem and fixed it? If so I could use some ideas! Thanks!!!


Drogo99
Member
posted August 03, 2004 01:05 PM
I do have a good ground one to the cage from the battery and one from the engine two the frame. Will I have this problem with a mini-starter? Is it braced different? If its not then I might have the same problem I would think.

I have took out my distributor and put a stock one till this problem is resolved. It's then same with a stock and one with a curve kit.

BrianW
Member
posted August 03, 2004 02:05 PM
If you're breaking off the nose on the stock type starter then something is really wrong - bent flywheel or somehow it's severely misaligned. I'd start looking at the flywheel/flexplate for signs of it moving around on you and causing the starters to crack the housing.

Oh - and the mini-starters will only be worse since they don't have any front "nose" support to the starter drive - it's only supported from the backside.

WesternAuto17
Member
posted August 03, 2004 02:52 PM
Sounds to me like a flywheel or block problem. A lot of poeple run around without the brace on stock starters.


crc1124
Member
posted August 03, 2004 09:19 PM
what compression are you running? I had a similar problem with 2 starters. First stay away from the Autozone junk. I first went with a gm factory hi torque starter and had the same problem. The would start a couple of times then keep getting hung up on the flywheel. I broke 2 of them. My engine is a 383 with 13.5:1 compression. I talked to the local speedshop that deals mostly with dragracers and he told me that I needed a quality hi torque starter, not just a cheap mini starter. I bought a 3hp nippendenso style starter and it has worked perfect ever since. I tried all the grounding and everything else, but the compression and tightness of a new motor just needed more power. Good Luck!


bobberpopper
Member
posted August 03, 2004 11:03 PM
drill the holes out and retap them if the treads are warn the bolts will back out after a few starts.The vibration of the engine will cause the bolt to come out.


NJantz
Member
posted August 04, 2004 06:53 AM
If its kicking back, it sounds like timing. Had that happen on a big block. weights stuck in the dist. something to look at anyway.


Burque
Member
posted August 04, 2004 12:03 PM
Well I am using starter bolts and have tried different sizes. What I noticed with the reman starter was the boltholes were egg shaped and not completely round. An old used starter worked for a while but tore it up to I just got a New Durlast starter from AutoZone and the holes are perfect but I still get the grinding after a few starts.

As to the flywheel itís in good shape its still looks square on both sides not rounded. When the starter messes up it turns and hit the flywheel and does not engage into the teeth. I also broke the housing when trying to over tighten the starter. When the starter messes up I have to go under and unloosen the bolts that are still way tight.

I have also changed my distributor to an unaltered due to another problem. Is the starter brace for a 350 the same as a 305? Because I only found one for a 305. I have had to alter this one because the starter boltholes mount in a different location with a 305 starter.

I think I might try new bolts due to the fact; they could be a tighter fit. Well maybe another brace also, I race like Friday have not got set up right due to chasing this problem I hope not to much more problems. Thanks Guys!!


rico 08
Member
posted August 04, 2004 04:52 PM
You could try a cast iron nose starter.


0six
Member
posted August 04, 2004 07:53 PM
sounds to me that you have a 305 flywheel on a 350 and a 350 starter i have had this problem on an old chevy truck i had i put a known 350 flywheel on it and a 350 starter and solved the problem


racer17j
Member
posted August 04, 2004 10:16 PM
have you checked your balancer may sound funny but i had the same problem would work fine for a few days then race day would grind and skip i missed a whole season fighting this problem next year i bought a new balancer compared it to the old one and it had slipped about 20 degrees i haven't has a starter /flywheel problem since


Drogo99
Member
posted August 05, 2004 06:08 AM
Well guyís thanks for all the help!!! I have used this forum for many problems I've had in my first season of racing. It has been a great help with all the information on here.

I believe I have found my problem I notice that the flywheel had only four teeth that were just a tad shorter then the rest. I believe its getting hung up there.

What I did for anyone with the same problem is wrap the bolts with heavy-duty foil paper for no movement and got it to crank like crazy. I had to turn it over like 20 times before I messed up, when I checked her I found the problem, could not see this cause if u look straight up she looks fine. But notice she was engaged there and when I ran my finger across the flywheel four teeth were shorter then the rest. Well I hope this was it and now I can get on with setting up the car for my first race Friday and Saturday. Thanks again guys!!!!!!


NJantz
Member
posted August 05, 2004 01:01 PM
amen buddy, hope thats what it was.


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