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Author Topic:   I spotted a cheater now i need help proving it
Smallblock S10
Member
posted June 27, 2004 10:08 PM
OK, so the other night after the races they were pulling vacuum on the pure street class.When it was finally the feature winners turn to remove the hood we were standing right there trying to see anything that looked out of place..I noticed first thing that the engine had Vortecs then my eyes wondered over to see what kind of intake he was running (the rules say "Cast iron intake only. 2 or 4 barrel okay") First off the intake runners were nothing like a stock iron intake. They were shaped more like a Edelbrock Performer or something.Here's the biggy though...about half way between the carb flange and the head on the runners there was a horizontal parting line..kind of like the top of the intake was cut from the bottom half so it could be ported or something.There was 2 bolts at the front of the runners that held the top part and bottom part together, I really couldn't see if there were bolts at the rear.
We immediately pulled the tech man over to the side to point the intake out. He said "thats just part of his carb spacer...".
um,yeah right. He had one of those resin brezezinski 2 to 4 barrel adapters that was all.

So i want to know who makes this 2 piece intake and maybe get some links.
I'm sick of this guy screwing all of the more deserving drivers out of prize money.



Okie11m
Member
posted June 27, 2004 11:00 PM
Sounds like a great tech guy!!! Stock intakes are 2 piece. Other than that I don't know.


goinrcn44h
Member
posted June 28, 2004 12:51 AM
either put up the cash and protest, or **** it up and beat him. cheaters howl like a lil girl when you beat em. cause then they KNOW its not the car its the driver..... I say quit *****in, get better setups or park him... you decide
44H


NJantz
Member
posted June 28, 2004 06:26 AM
actually i think i remember seeing a cast vortec intake in the scoggin dickey catalog.
Here is a link to their catalog. http://www.sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=prod_detail&catid=2614&pid=9155

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Smallblock S10
Member
posted June 28, 2004 10:31 AM
We've built several of the pure street engines and help with the cars.None of them are actually mine. Most of the cars in our class are owned by guys who barely have enough money to race,thats why they're in this class. Then we have this guy with the illegal intake that after the feature loads his car onto his Freightliner car hauler and takes off home with all the prize money.
I'm afraid that if we protest the intake the tech man will say "thats just a old stock intake".lol I have nothing against cheating a little bit,but when something is so obvious and nobody does anything about it..that just irks me.
I made this pic to show how the intake is cut.The red line represents where the intake separates.

We'll get him the next time he comes back.



juliaferrell
Member
posted June 28, 2004 12:33 PM
That's the problem with rule racing. Someone always has more money. Those were the guys I always loved sending home wanting to protest something I was doing. We once won 23 straight at two different tracks and we had to come to the track with our intake and exhaust manifolds off every week. They inspected us and then without hotlaps because we were never back together in time we would go out and kick **** . This happened all year long. We just smiled everytime we went to the payoff booth. They kept politican and getting the rules in their favor *ie headers, big carbs ect* and we just kept on winning with the same things we had. They never once gave us gaskets or ****. I just had my own ready every week. If you are doing this out there.......MOVE UP in class to get some competition. My brother didn't want to move up just because the guys in that class raised cain so much...He just wanted to keep them in the loser's circle. The root of what I'm saying is this: That intake isn't the sole reason the guy is winning. If he gets caught with that he'll just constructively move on to something else. Yes, it shows that the track is enforcing the rules but a crybaby doesn't have a place in racing. Just take her back to the garage and work on her til he wants to protest you the next race!!


tilley88
Member
posted June 28, 2004 12:43 PM
From your description it sounds like a cast iron Vortec intake. The parting line is in an odd place, and the runners look very odd compared to the older pieces. You should be able to see pics of the 2 or 4 bbl Vortec intakes on Scoggin-dickey or Pace parts websites. I believe they're made by Mercury Marine.


racin2much
Member
posted June 28, 2004 02:02 PM
From what you said if it is cast iron it is ok and he is not cheating. Unless the rules state stock, OEM, and unmodified it seems legal to me. I never worry too much about what someone else runs though, I beat them with what I run and my driving. I would think if he can afford to put that kinda stuff in that division he has more than just that, like he hooks it up better. I would just go home and make my car better and beat him on the track.



crc1124
Member
posted June 29, 2004 10:00 PM
A few years ago we had a rule that stated we have to run a stock intake, cast iron or aluminum. When everyone seen our intake we were accused of running an Edelbrock Victor. The tech guy even tried to say our intake was illegal because there was no firing order on it. The stupid*** didn't bother the bowties on the intake runners! I researched Chevy intakes and found the single plane bow tie and we bought it. We showed the tech guy the chevy parts book and the reciept from the dealer. He wasn't very happy! Just goes to show you that you have to be sure someone is cheating before you accuse them because it just makes you look bad. You would be amased at the bowtie racing stuff that's available for guys who have to run stock stuff.


popeye14709
Member
posted June 30, 2004 05:32 AM
simple words from our tech man and I quote "PUT UP or SHUT UP"

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bigcityracer
Member
posted June 30, 2004 09:03 AM
It's not cheating till you get caught. You must bend all rules till you are told not to. Here's a good one for everyone to ask the tech. Where is stock location of motor. You will not beleive the answer you will get.


ryan
Member
posted June 30, 2004 05:20 PM
Stock location is ahead of the firewall under the hood.


bigcityracer
Member
posted July 01, 2004 12:14 AM
Like I said I was surprised where they told me. I did what they said was legal. Yes it's in front of the stock fire wall, but the fire wall has been smashed back with a sledge about 6" and the engine rubs it. Thats the location point they gave me, so I took them up on it. Had to make all my own mount because there are no stock mounts that will work.


Ego Racing
Member
posted July 02, 2004 12:12 PM
CHEVY NEVER MADE A CASTIORN INTAKE FOR THE VORTEC HEADS. If you read the Scoggin Dickie catalog the intake is a fake with fake casting numbers. As for spotting vortec heads you have to see the casting numbers as all center bolt valve cover heads are not vortec's


waltonjr1
Member
posted July 02, 2004 02:22 PM
There easy to spot, there are no bolts in the center of the intake. The late model tbi heads have the center bolts but at a different angle.Ego is right, there is no such thing as a factory cast iron intake for the vortec heads but you can get one from mercruiser.

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carolinafast
Member
posted July 04, 2004 11:19 AM
oh goody ,,,one of my favorite racing subjects...
the absolute worse thing you can do is allow yourself to get distracted by what another racer is doing to win. not to say i don't pay attention. we just don't dwell on it. have you ever seen anybody win by slowin down the other cars? however, having seen this kind of thing many times, i do understand your situation.sadly there is not much you can do about it!!! switch divisions or tracks or get faster as several racers on here have alredy said.we have been on boths sides of this coin.was one of the reasons we switched from pvmt to dirt.they got tired of teching the car to death and still havivg to give us the trophy..LOL


rblracer
Member
posted July 11, 2004 03:02 PM
Waltonjr1 is on the right track, that's the one with the parting line you were describing. And as for the rules, if it don't say you can, then you can't!!! Rules should be black and white not everyones version of grey!!jmo

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Flatlander
Member
posted July 12, 2004 09:45 PM
marine intake
mercury inboard
either 2bbl or 4bbl depending on horse power output


racerman707
Member
posted July 17, 2004 10:04 AM
Won a heat race one night and they checked carbs and intakes on top 3 cars. We were found illegal with a victor jr intake and 650 holley and disqualified. Put on a legal cast iron smog intake and quadrajet, started in the rear and won with the motor busting out! My point is the intake he has MIGHT give him 10 horsepower but it sounds like he's DRIVING it hard to beat you everytime he comes to the track. Work on your stuff, don't worry with his and you'll beat him.


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