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pforsythe
Member
posted August 19, 2003 09:53 AM
I am looking for an engine builder that could build us a Ford motor for a street stock car. Options we are exploring include a stock 351W, A 347 stroker (302 bored and stroked) or a 393 stroker (351w bored and stroked) We are in the Kansas City area, but are willing to drive a bit if we could find a good builder at the right price.


KPLugnut
Member
posted August 19, 2003 10:03 AM
Although we're a lotta miles from you, we still have a 408ci Ford for sale here.

It's a 4" stroke, 4.030", with Carrillo 6.2" rods and N351 heads.
Super Victor intakes (2), MSD Pro Billet ignition, Camcraft cam (plus a brand new Bullet roller setup still in the box).

I really would like to sell it, too...

JLMK...

Kinetic Performance


pforsythe
Member
posted August 19, 2003 10:17 AM
what are you looking on selling it for? Is there anything you would want or willing to trade, I have lots of stuff from computers to a chevy pickup and motor so just let me know. A 408 would be cheating but it is a lot less of cheathing then most out at my track I am afraid.


KPLugnut
Member
posted August 19, 2003 10:47 AM
Check your PM....


hobby62
Member
posted August 19, 2003 05:52 PM
thanks for the plug! hobby62 ...ford5


dirtracer7
Member
posted August 19, 2003 06:32 PM
I'm running a 347 and like it.I run on a big half mile 7000 rpm with a 5.67 gear. Its a strong motor and 3 years now with out trouble.I'm 3rd in points out of 57 and this is my second year racing.I have a 351w i wanted to stroke but I can't come around to doing it.The 302 blocks are alot easier to come by and about 90 lbs less with intake.


CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
Member
posted August 20, 2003 12:14 AM
Whats the rules? I have several 351 clevelands i may consider selling one or 2 of them. Send me a pm with details.


outlawstock17
Member
posted August 20, 2003 08:32 AM
i've run a lot of different ford combos over the years. the one i have now is the best so far. it's a 6.200 rod, stock stroke 351w with "N" heads and a mild roller cam. it has grunt on the bottom end and more rpm than anyone needs. you should run an oil cooler with any windsor that turns a lot of rpms. the big bearing journals heat the oil up quite a bit. it hasn't been a problem for me with mobil 1 synthetic oil.

dirtracer, i had a 393 w/"N" heads last season......could never get it hooked up.

[This message has been edited by outlawstock17 (edited August 20, 2003).]

pforsythe
Member
posted August 20, 2003 09:42 AM
Thanks for the replies everyone. The track i will be running is a Old 1/2 mile asphalt track. It is fast, very very fast. The only concerns I have about running a 347 is getting left on the strait aways. THe rules are really of no meaning to me because have the field uses the big motors from modifieds, like 407/408 whatever the chevy equvalient is. Even though we have a 360ci limit. It also says stock crank, but dosne;t say stock crank for that block, and also says stock stroke but with me being the only ford I imagine I could get away with quite a bit. As far as getting one built any of you engine builders give me a pm so we can talk.


Raz_900
Member
posted August 20, 2003 12:14 PM
What about running a 351W with 351M rods (6.5sumthing inch)? A long rod 351W (tiny, light pistons) would help make it live at high revs. I'd think if you get to big in the CID department it might be hard to hook up. Especially if there's a tire rule. Getting a big motor with little tires of the corners will be really tough.


pforsythe
Member
posted August 20, 2003 12:18 PM
The tires we use are the American Racer IMCA G-60


outlawstock17
Member
posted August 20, 2003 12:52 PM
Raz....i almost went that way. the reason i changed my mind was.......the pistons are expensive and the rods aren't meant for high rpms. for my combo, the cost was a little less and i got an h-beam rod. i'm using a stock type 302 piston clipped .055" to zero deck.


Drogo99
Member
posted August 21, 2003 08:09 AM
I believe the abnormally long M rods will force you to have custom pistons made with a VERY high pin height (i.e., up into the ring lands). Ross, CP, Probe, etc, all make 'em but you will spend over $800 on the pistons.
The motor we built here has 6.2" Carillo rods and we had Ross make the pistons for us.
Also, I'm not sure the M rods weigh much less than a Sherman tank....so ultralite custom pistons won't be saving you much in the end.

Hope that helps...

KP

Raz_900
Member
posted August 21, 2003 01:00 PM
I found FlatLander Racing sells the Silvolite Keith Black (KB333) for using M rods in a Windsor. They're $290. I'd recommend polishing the beams and having them recon'd with ARP bolts. I believe the M rods require some work to fit the Windsor journals (dia. is correct but the width is off) it's been awhile since I worked at the engine shop and we built one of them. The M rods are a little heavier than Windosor rods, but the polishing we lighten them up a few grams and they are .6" longer than stock Windsor rods. Most of the weight of the rod is in the journal/big end. I'd much rather have the weight right on the crank than hanging 6" off (taller piston).


ford5
Member
posted August 21, 2003 06:18 PM
yes Keith Black does make the piston for this app. it is a flatop 2 valve relief deal, you have to narrow the big end a touch, and rebush the top end to .927, the crank journals are the same size, the rods are very stout, but a touch on the heavy side, but it would work good in lower rpm applications. it is also the same piston that is used to make a 400 sbc rodded 302.
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