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Scott H
Member
posted February 23, 2003 11:58 PM
At the end of last season I pulled out my chevy small block to do paint and body work on the car for the off season. The motor only had half season on it so it was working fine. Now then over the winter they made a rule change to allow headers for our class so when reinstalling motor with headers I discovered that I needed to change from the truck wix filter 51061 to a shorter sbc filter of some type. I purchased a fram PH30 and this cleared my headers. When refiring the motor for the first time this year the motor ran for about 10 minutes and started dropping oil pressure and I shut off motor when preasure reached 15 psi. I tried running the motor again after checking everthing including oil level with the same results. For lack of anything else to try I went and got a AC Delco filter part number 454 which is still short enought to clear the headers and installed it. The motor now carries 60 plus psi oil preasure and works great. But after cutting open the Fram filter and inspecting it, it looks great. What gives? Does anyone know why a AC Delco 454 filter works but not a PH 30 Fram filter? Both are small block chevy filters. Thanks for any help offered


racer2
Member
posted February 24, 2003 06:58 AM
had the same problem with Fram, now I use ac all the time. have no idea why.

[This message has been edited by racer2 (edited February 24, 2003).]

dirtbuster
Member
posted February 24, 2003 10:30 AM
I have heard several complain about the Fram filters. I think they are very restrictive and are prone to rupturing or collapsing the filter media itself causing engine damage. My machinist told me he had a guy with the same story you just did about oil pressure being low with the Fram. He told me they are good for grandmas car but they just dont flow well for higher performance engines.

That being said I think the Fram 'racing' filter is prob a better filter than the off the shelf walmart one but it is about 10$ each. For the same money you can get the Wix racing filter which i feel is better anyway. I usually use AC or standard Wix on anything short of all out race motors and havent had any problems. My feeling is if Fram doesnt want to put together a decent filter for my daily driver then I dont want to support them with their racing filter either.

Just my opinion though.


Racer14K
Member
posted February 24, 2003 11:09 AM
BECAUSE FRAM FILTERS ARE JUNK!!!!!


Pickel
Member
posted February 24, 2003 11:18 AM
I have herd many camplaint about fram but I have use them sence i started racing with no probs and my couis ran them for years no prob and my uncle with 430 motors no probs ..I dont know why but I dont trust anything els


garyl
Member
posted February 24, 2003 11:49 AM


garyl
Member
posted February 24, 2003 11:56 AM
had the same problem on a mod engine(a new one)almost makes you sick,when you start an expensive piece and have no pressure or very little! we use only wix racing filters now; no problems for years.

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RC Racing
Member
posted February 24, 2003 03:21 PM
Echoing others here: WIX. Never had a problem with one on my Limited Late Model

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tilley88
Member
posted February 24, 2003 08:31 PM
Have the same problem with my new motor and a Fram filter. Will change to Wix for sure now! The Dirt Forum comes thru again!


jnewman44
Member
posted February 24, 2003 10:15 PM
I too had a fram problem, this year Im trying a K&N,anyone try one?


sdhnc29
Member
posted February 24, 2003 10:22 PM
Several years ago , we had some major problems with the Fram HP series filter . The inner core would break , and the filter would implode . This is a very common occurrence with the Fram filter's . After the first incident with the fram filter imploding , we had our customer's switch to Wix filter's . Fram knows that they have a problem , but they refuse to make the proper changes to fix this problem .

I had one customer in particular , that I built a 18 degree wet sump engine for . I wrote on his receipt in bold print , and told him verbally , DO NOT USE A FRAM FILTER ON THIS ENGINE !! Of course , he had been using them for year's and did not listen . The first night he ran this engine , he promptly chunked a blue rod through the side of the block . Of course he was ****ed , and it was my fault ....LOL I had him bring his car back to my shop that night , and I pulled his engine out . The first thing I noticed was his Fram filter on the engine . I told him then , "this is your problem" . I proceeded to pull the filter off in front of him , and without looking at it myself , I showed it to him and said once again , "here is your problem". He looked at it , and said "sorry for being ****ed at you". When I looked at it myself , the core had completely imploded and sucked the filter material up into the engine .

Now for the good news ! The damage to his engine resulted in a $8000.00 price tag . Fram paid for every bit of it !!!! So .... if anyone else has this problem , be sure to file a claim with Fram ! Take pictures of the damage , the filter , be sure to get an accurate estimate ! DO NOT SEND THE FILTER TO FRAM!!! They will send an insurance adjuster out , and they will pay your claim . Once again , this is because they know they have a problem !

Steve

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Hendren Racing Engines
Rutherfordton , NC
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SLEEPY GOMEZ
Member
posted February 24, 2003 11:35 PM
I had a Fram filter cost me an engine about 4 years ago. Fram was not interested in my problem. I am not interested in anything Fram sells and I am not hesitant to make my position clear to anyone who will listen. If Fram can't make a filter good enough for my street stock engine with a stock pump it certainly can't make one good enough for the car that gets my wife to work. SLEEPY


RC Racing
Member
posted February 25, 2003 01:56 AM
So Steve, can I depend on the FRAM imploding? If so, I would like to use one on one of my "needs to be fixed soon" engines and let them pick up the tab.

Sorry, sick sense of humor (and its late)

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factory58
Member
posted February 25, 2003 08:10 AM
yea i use k&n filters love the nut on the bottom not much clearance for a filter wrench so it makes for easy removal



dode
Member
posted February 25, 2003 08:34 AM
What about system 1 filters...I picked one up to try this year. What's everyone's opinion on these?

John

dirtbuster
Member
posted February 25, 2003 09:46 AM
Steve Hendren,

Thanks for the input. So the Fram racing filters are just as bad as the regular ones huh? I had thougth they were maybe a little better since they are 'racing' filters but its good to hear otherwise, especially from you.

Now for the big question what do you recommend as a good filter to run? Personally i am hoping you say wix or wix racing but are there others?

Racer14K
Member
posted February 25, 2003 12:42 PM
You can use either one, I know the racing filter has a heavier gauge canister but not sure on the internal features, my catalog does not show the racing filter specs.

You can also use the premium Carquest filter which is WIX and also the NAPA Gold, WIX also.

dode,
I have used the System1 filter for years and have not had a problem, I really like it but it will not clear the side of my new oil pan.


DMS CEO
Member
posted February 25, 2003 02:32 PM
I have to put my .02 in here. Daimler-Chrysler will not warranty ANY engine with a fram filter on it that has internal problems. That is a pretty big statement.


TBRacing33T
Member
posted February 28, 2003 12:35 PM
dirtbuster ,

Yes , I always recommend Wix filter's for our wet sump customer's .

RC Racing ,

I knew a guy back in California who pulled this off ! He had a bad filter from a different engine , and used it to file a claim on a different one that he blew up . Kind an insurance fraud deal , but the filter was still a bad one from the other engine , even though he caught it before it destroyed that one .

Steve

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Hendren Racing Engines
Rutherfordton , NC
(828)286-0780


fastrack1
Member
posted February 28, 2003 06:15 PM
HEY ANYBODY KNOW OR USE PURO L ATOR JUST HADNT SEEN TALK OF THEM


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