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racer17j
Member
posted January 06, 2003 01:12 AM
been haveing some debate about the motor rules for the new imca sport mods on another forum what do you all think? is a spec aftermarket head going to make the racing any cheaper or more competative than a stock cast 76 cc head . keep in mind this is a 360cid 9:1 comp class and suposed to be a afordable entry level class that races for 150 to win


KSGerry
Member
posted January 06, 2003 08:30 AM
In my humble opinion, if the racers are going to have to purchase new spec components...heads, blocks, cams, intakes, carbs, etc and can no longer use parts and pieces that are on-hand then it is not worth making the change.

However, if a new class is being formed from scratch and the racers can afford to buy the spec components...new or from another group making the change, then it may be a good choice.

Simply buying spec parts does not mean that they cannot be modified therefore adding more expense or forcing the tech inspectors to search for illegal parts or modifications.

I believe that may be one reason some sanctioning bodies use claim rules. I would like to see the dollar amount raised to a reasonable amount. If you want to win by out-spending your competition then pay the price of selling your components. If you can win and build your stuff within the claimed amount then it is a win-win situation for everyone. The winner gets the prize money and points and sells the claimed components for a profit. Perhaps even having the opportunity for having a great off-track business. Everyone wants to buy products or services that win races. The loser(s) get to buy what they feel is the winning component an have the opportunity to use the same for their car. The tech inspectors can spend their time looking at safety issues and not searching for illegal parts or modifications. This also allows for freedom of choice and not mandating use of only spec components.

Of course this is just my humble opinion...
Best regards,
Gerry Dedonis

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KSGerry


racer17j
Member
posted January 06, 2003 10:35 AM
you hit on one of my points i dis agree with this is suposed to be a builder class for the mods and is intended to draw the guys that run a hobby stock that would already fit all the motor rules except the spec head so he has to spend 6-800 for a set of heads to fatten imca's pocket they also have a spec intake and a four brl carb. here we are running a limited mod class that is not imca and all a guy has too do to his hobby motor is maybe change the cam buy headers and a mod pan so there a guy has less than 300 to update instead of over 1000 after you buy all that stuff plus a set of heads to race for the same money


Monster
Member
posted January 06, 2003 06:25 PM
If I was the guy selling these spec parts, I'd be all over it. But I am not. But as a small time engine builder, I know where you can spend all kinds of money to get 'doctored' spec parts that will pass inspection. I no longer watch ASA racing, and I refuse to participate or help out anyone who races in a spec motor class(like they're banging down my door! lol). A reasonable claim would fly with me also. Say, 1/2-2/3 of what a typical new engine for that class cost. Both parties could walk away happy from that deal. Sorry for getting on my soapbox, but "spec" engines are a burr under my saddle, and our local bbs degenerates into name-calling and 'my dog is meaner than your dog' whenever the topic is brought up. This board is much more civilized and polite.


Eljojo
Member
posted January 06, 2003 07:11 PM
I have to agree with Mr. Gerry as to his opinion on RAISING the claim price. I don't run IMCA, but I've become familiar with their rules and claim.
There's a new class forming at our local track (two years old) and the promoter doesn't spend enough time teching the rules he made. I believe that happens at a lot of tracks. I think that a REASONABLE claim would accomplish exactly what Mr. Gerry indicated. It would make for better racing without costing the racers money they don't have, replacing good parts with spec parts.


outlawstock17
Member
posted January 07, 2003 07:13 AM
i agree monster. racing isn't just about who's the best driver. it's about who can build the best hot rod too. NO SPEC ENGINES!


KSGerry
Member
posted January 07, 2003 08:57 AM
Let me clarify on my opinion regarding spec rules. They are not all bad but must be used in a proper fashion.

For example, the ASA stock car series was about to be eliminated due to lack of cars. The wealthy teams were out-spending the competition. ASA switched to GM "spec" LS-1 aluminum Corvette engines assembled by Lingenfelter Racing, sealed and assigned to each car. The teams do not own the engine but pay a lease. Throughout the race season it is exchanged for a fresh one. ASA also runs a spec B.F. Goodrich tire.

Car counts and competition is more even. The teams can calculate the some of the dollar costs ahead of time. The best teams are the ones with the greatest smarts regarding chassis set-ups, pit strategy and driver skill. The fans can enjoy some of the best racing anywhere!

Of course the ASA has the personnel to police the cars and watch for illegal modifications or tampering. Something not possible or easy to detect at most local tracks. Remember too that the manufacturers that provide spec components...tires, engines, wheels, fuel, etc, usually pay for the "privilege". Money or other considerations are paid to the Series, promoter, race track and even the racer through contingency awards or payment into points funds for using their components, as a race event sponsor or series sponsor. Consider how much the the tobacco company pays NASCAR for the privilege to be called "Winston" Cup.

This IS something the local racers can use to your advantage. "Sell" your race class to a local or regional company in exchange for consideration. If you all use the same brand of tires, fuel or components argue as a group for a discount or payment of money into a points fund. If you are not doing this, you can be sure the promoter or race track is and putting the money into their pocket.

Regards,
Gerry

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KSGerry


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