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modracr41
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posted January 30, 2004 10:03 PM
The problem with a post like this one, and in the past with the bert/brinn posts, etc. is where does it stop? I mean, back when the modified class was started, it was designed to be an affordable, entry-level class. Today, it's FARRR from that. Today, there are guys out there that spend more on a modified engine than I spent on my whole racing operation. Look at the Late Model class. They've pushed and pushed until they've priced themselves out. The modified class is on the same track. I will agree, it costs less to change gears with a quick-change. It takes less time to change gears with a quick-change. BUT...........look at the guys that are on a budget. Guys that own and race modifieds and don't have sponsorship $$ to throw at new pieces. I am one of those guys. EVERYTHING I spend on my car comes out of MY pocket. So.........let's look at what is happening here. Last year, IMCA in their infinite wisdom decided to allow the bert/brinn transmissions. That was just one more step in making these cars more of a fabricated racing machine than a "stock car". I will agree that a bert/brinn type transmission is designed to be a racing transmission and therefore it is more reliable. HOWEVER, there are those of us out there that can't afford a bert/brinn. We run powerglides and lightened 3-speeds to minimize the cost. IF the bert/brinn weren't allowed I wouldn't be outclassed by someone with a bigger pocket book. Now, let's look at the quick-change argument. The quick-change rearend is cheaper you tell me because you don't have to spend the $$ for all of the 9 in. gears. BUT........ you will also gain an advantage over lots of guys in that you will be able to use the gear selection that is afforded with a quick change to gain an advantage over someone like me that can't afford a quick change, or chooses to stick with the new 9" I just bought. So, I pose the question to all of the guys that think that the quick-change is the way to go, where does it stop? If you want to spend the $$$$ to go faster, and to have that kind of racecar, then buy yourself a late model. I'm sure you can run a quick-change there, which is cheaper than buying 9" chunks, you can also run the 14" tires which will also allow you to hook up all of that 800 hp that you want to spend the money on. You can also get the benefit of having that big spoiler on the back to increase the downforce on the back of the car. You can also get paid more to start the feature than the measley $30-$50 it pays for a mod. If you don't want to make that jump, then be thankful for what you have and quit stirring up the arguments for making our mods into late models because I for one am happy with the mod I have. Just my opinion, and .................see ya at the track!!


modracr41
Member
posted January 30, 2004 10:06 PM
Sorry guys, this was meant for the "survey on quick-change" thread.


fastow
Member
posted January 30, 2004 11:33 PM
Qiuk changes are a great idea.They will save the racer money.I see where you didnt like the Bert,Brinn deal.IMCA already had a legal trans that cost more then a Bert.Thats my point with the rules we have right now ,there are other parts that are cheaper.Why do mods have to run these special parts ?For the guys that keep rattling off about next being big tires,spoilers whatever I dont see anyone wanting these things.Mod drivers dont want them,But QC ,coilovers,Berts,these items are cheaper to run then the current parts that we have to use!I have sold parts for years and I know what this stuff cost.


mod27
Member
posted February 01, 2004 06:27 AM
This is one subject i see everywhere.
As for myself it wouldnt matter to me if they made them legal or not.
The QC would be a cost savings over the 9".
Say if they were legal, and i was a new driver wanting to get into mods, then yes i would go with a QC. Simply for cost savings.
you can pick up a used QC for $300 or up, i've seen used gears sell for $15 and up.
cheapest 9" is around $850, gears run $400 and up.
As for me now, i could not afford to switch now, simply for reason of all the 9" gears i have.
As for the late model issue, Modifieds in my area get paid more than the late models do,
I have wanted to try a late model, but since i can run my mod for higher purses, i will stay with it, But the more i can make it look like a late model, the more i am for it.
At my home track, we can run 8" spoilers, groove our junky American racer G-60 tires.
Wish we could run those bigger tires, Just imagine how much FASTER we could be on them.
Just my thoughts, but it dont matter if they make them legal or not to me.


rexalott
Member
posted February 01, 2004 07:34 AM
I have ran places where the quick change was legal, I never saw a performance advantage on the track.
I'd like to see them legal, not required, so the racer could make up his own mind.
To me, I like them because of the time it would save me and because the spares are cheaper, take up less space, and are easier to change.When you are your own crew and sponsor, anything to make it easier and quicker in the shop, not to mention the track, is worth the money to me.


brownstone
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posted February 01, 2004 01:24 PM
SOME RACERS HAVE A HARD TIME WITH MATH !!!THATS WHY WE RUN ALOT OF ODDBALL PARTS .


racer17j
Member
posted February 02, 2004 04:52 PM
i look at it this way a rear end is a one time purchase.it's reparable and can be ran in car after car for as long as you want. but guys will drop 3-4 grand in a motor that they know they can lose for a 1/3 of that or you take the risk of blowing it up every time you go on the track and not even bat an eye. i'm a firm believer in non performance enhancing upgrades that will save money in the long run


graham jackson
Member
posted February 04, 2004 10:26 AM
Even if the QC was legal why would that mean you or anyone else would have to run out and buy one. If you are happy with your 9" then stick with it. Also, if I remember right there is more power losss through the QC than through a ford rearend so there is at least one advantage to keeping it. Besides if everyone started selling of 3rd members think about how cheap you could collect a large selection of gears.



littleb24f
Member
posted February 04, 2004 01:15 PM
jackson there are more classes then just mods that run floaters and 9 in gears there are plenty of stock classes that run that stuff and i don't see the market going down on them no time soon the point is if your in an area like mine we have a bunch of tracks and each takes a different gear we could run a 4/10 on fri small 1/2 on sat and big 1/2 on sun if you wanted to run 3 nites a week thats 1200 in gears compared to 150 i know alot of guys that would like to run different tracks in the area but they don't want to pay for a gear they will only use a few times a year now if that gear was only 50 that can make it worth your while


KMUDD
Member
posted February 06, 2004 07:55 AM
I run both tires. Hoosiers & american racers. The AMERICAN RACERS are the ultimate compared to the hoosiers, brownstone. The Racers are definently more forgiving on the pocket book than hoosiers. The Racers will last 4-5 times longer than the hoosier and are also $20.00 cheaper. The hoosiers do have little more bite but the Racers make a better driver and chassis tuner out of a person. To each there own but my opinion. Dump the hoosiers.
The Q/C is just a money saving advantage.
It's all about saving money to make this sport fun.

[This message has been edited by True Blue (edited February 06, 2004).]

modracr41
Member
posted February 06, 2004 10:09 AM
Littleb24f hit my point right on the head!! If we don't change, we'll be outclassed by those with the money that want to change. An advantage will be gained to be able to fine tune the gear to the track as it dries that people with a stock 9" or a floater won't have. Just one more way to INCREASE the cost of going faster. If they were to allow a QC, I would have two choices, either buy one so I could compete with those running them, or stick with my 9" and take the disadvantage. This was my point all along. LEAVE THE MOD CLASS ALONE. IT'S FINE AS IT IS!! Just the opinion of a satisfied mod driver, and............See ya at the track!!


zeroracing
Member
posted February 06, 2004 11:05 AM
okay,im no expert,but you guys talk about gears for a 9 being so expensive and all,but then talk about fine tuning with gears to track conditions.If ya try 3 or 4 different gear combos then were is the savings.

I see if you live in a place were there are lots of tracks and you can get a gear to run there alot cheaper a few times a year.

I see it both way,Were im at and were I plan to run I need 2 different gears,If I wanted to run around to alot of different tracks then I might see the QC being better.

zeroracing
Member
posted February 06, 2004 03:55 PM

I agree thats one way to look at it. If you limit the QC to standard 9" ratios then you take away that advantage and performance wise put the 2 rearends on more or less the same level. Now noone would feel like they have to run out and buy a QC if they are happy with their ford. But the guys that are buying new can choose what they want and personally i think the QC is a money saver even if you setup your own 3rd members for a ford.

zeroracing
Member
posted February 06, 2004 04:43 PM
Brownstone,
I see where you are coming from... however, as a (cheap)racer who pays for most of everything on my car, I run a powerglide and I have found that the IMCA transmission rule saved me money last year.
Now that the racers who can afford them and want to switch, that nasty ol glide that was in the car is an eyesore in their garage that I can buy cheap, so, the $500 or more transmission can be bought for $200 or less by me ( a great cost savings to me, the guy who pays my bills) I figure, once quick changes are legal, I may be able to get some great deals on some fabulous 9" gears.I am not talking about the $399 specials that I run, I have lusted over the $700.00 and 900.00 chunks that are both ridiculously light, and at this time, out of my budget.

[This message has been edited by rrrrick (edited February 13, 2004).]

Racer111
Member
posted February 13, 2004 01:32 PM
A QC is still the best and CHEAP way to go.UMP will go with them next year and Im sure the rest will follow other than IMCA.But thats ok because there a B-MOD sanction anyways.


cozmo
Member
posted February 13, 2004 02:23 PM
Cozmo can you teach some of these guys math.They need some help.


graham jackson
Member
posted February 14, 2004 12:46 AM
Hey Cozmo,
I understand a NE Dirt mod, we ran those for almost 30 years out of NJ. Now... with the big tires, QC rears , tell these good folks what the payout is at the tracks you race at. But, somehow the IMCA cars are getting a foothold in the Northeast, racing at the same tracks that the DIRT modifieds are.Heck, I can buy a good used dirt mod with all the goodies cheaper then a decent IMCA Modified.



Racer111
Member
posted February 15, 2004 11:18 AM
QC still the best and CHEAP way to go.!!!


brownstone
Member
posted February 15, 2004 03:27 PM
I have ran a 9inch and a QC.QC is far better and cheaper.Im not running the races there to far for me.I think most of you that are against the QC have never used one.They do look expensive.But once you have one you will never want to see a 9inch again.I have done the math i sell parts on the side QC setup will save alot of racers $$$$.


leftturn29
Member
posted February 17, 2004 04:00 AM
If everyone is so concerned with saving money, then maybe we sould revert back to 1993 when IMCA was designed to run that "stock" motor, then it wouldn't matter which rearend we ran. or even better, "stock" motor with a quick change!
just my 2 cents!!!!!!!


cozmo
Member
posted February 18, 2004 09:34 AM
Brownstone have you ever ran a QC? And if i go to some of these races im not changing to a QC.A QC will not make the car faster just cheaper to run.


brownstone
Member
posted February 22, 2004 05:45 PM
I think the mods will be just fine with QC,hopefuly coilovers someday,i dont realy see any mod guys wanting bigger tires or alum engines and things like this.The alum engine deal in the late models i believe got started back when because the stock blocks cant take that kind of power and tire size but today theres the Dart steel blocks and soforth that are good and will last a long time.There is just alot of parts out there that are cheaper to run then oem stuff.The junk yard racing is gone,s**** is worth to much.


brownstone
Member
posted February 24, 2004 06:26 AM
see fastow.......case in point once Racer 111 gets the QC's legal and then he wants coilovers, which I also do not want.
As mentioned before if not carefully watched legallizing the QC is a slippery slope to a late model with no fenders,


cozmo
Member
posted February 24, 2004 08:12 AM
I agree with brownstone in that the change to a QC would have to be watched very closely. The idea is to keep the cost down. You could go with a coil over as long as the rules stated all steal, nonadjustable and had a claim. You start getting in trouble ($$$$) when you mess with the engine rules. Our 358s are out of control. To be competitive in that class (for less payout) you have to spend $23k+ on the engine; you can get a good big block for that and it will last a long time. Not to mention a better purse.