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Racer111
Member
posted February 24, 2004 03:21 PM
Yes i want coilovers .Coilover kit $55.00 dont get ruined in a crash,Slider $85.00-$150.00 junk after a crash.Cheaper .Thats the problem we run a bunch of parts that cost more then what is out there.WHY ?


modracr41
Member
posted February 24, 2004 03:23 PM
Brownstone, quit arguing with them. They obviously don't get it. They want to price the mods out just as the late models have. Just look back, if they could, several people here would run a limited late model. They don't want the aluminum block, but they do want the coilover shocks, quick change rearend, bert/brinn type tranny, next they'll want a dry sump so they can take advantage of the power and tell us that's cheaper, too. I was told once, "Never argue with an idiot as people looking on won't be able to tell the difference." Just my opinion and.................See ya at the track!!


Racer111
Member
posted February 24, 2004 03:33 PM
We want the price to go down but IDIOTS as is posted cant add.Thats the problem with the price of the mods.Run oddball stuff and pay more for it.WHY ?


zeroracing
Member
posted February 24, 2004 04:19 PM
what brownstone said.....


nut3d
Member
posted February 24, 2004 05:39 PM
if you want a quick change get a late model.
if you want coil overs get a late model. If not quit whineing and go on with ya lives.


fastow
Member
posted February 24, 2004 05:47 PM
Zero, I never called anyone an idiot. I simply stated a saying that I have been told numerous times and if the shoe fits wear it, if not then it doesn't apply to you. Brownstone, Nut and others are exactly right. If you don't like it the way it is, try something else such as a limited Late Model where they have all of the stuff you mention. If you don't want to do that, then be happy you can race in a class where you can race almost any Thursday through Sunday from April to October from California to North Carolina. Most of us have absorbed the cost of more 9" gears and our cars are complete and ready to run. We aren't going to save money by going out and buying more parts. That's like saying you are going to save your way to wealth by spending more. It just won't happen. If you relax the standards to allow these "upgrades" you make our already paid for parts obsolete. It will cost us more money to upgrade or take a disadvantage. THAT is the point we're making. Nothing more. Just my opinion and ..................See ya at the track!!

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zeroracing
Member
posted February 25, 2004 12:11 AM
I agree with leaving the rules alone. As Cozmo says with his NE Dirt Modified, they have fully fabricated frames, center steering, QC rear, Bert or Brinn trans 13" tire ( with a choice of two or three compounds I forget) Aluminum Wheels ( with bead locks all around) Here is the Kicker...$23,000.00 358 steel head motor ( gosh, I remember when that was a great Tony Feil motor for $11,500) . The problem is , anyplace in the NE where they run these cars, the race for $1500.00 to win. Heck in 1990 we got $200.00 to start the main with those cars. http://www.dirtmotorsports.com/carclasses.htm
Racers are the worst people to make rules, the 9" that used to be a stock rear from a Lincoln or such is ( free or almost free from your local junk yard) is now a $1200.00 lightweight chromemoly full floater.
The stock 9" chunk running your car in third Compared to the $900.00 lightened, spooled and gundrilled third member
The $25.00 Monroe shocks are now the ( at least) $100.00 rebuildables. The springs mounted over the rear have become the much maligned $150.00 spring sliders.
The cheap junkyard transmission has become a $1200.00 Brinn

Lets not forget radios... we need em to keep from tearing up our new $28,000.00 racecar

So, if you look at these modifieds from todays car, the Quick change is not that big a step. But, looking at them from what they started as... the quick change is like a space shuttle compared to a cessna http://www.dirtmotorsports.com/03/entry_forms/entry1.htm Check out the entry form, $40.00 entry, $4000.00 to win . That would be enough to make make of the promoters of the stock clip cars **** cheeks clinch . $40.00 That is what most "promoters" want to charge for a weekly show around here
So.. I guess you could lobby your local racetrack to bring the boundless DIRT modifieds to a track near you... the rules are just what the QC, coilover, wide tire,beadlock people want.



cozmo
Member
posted February 25, 2004 01:35 PM
Cozmo... you did just opposite of myself... After growing up with the DIRT mods, I have moved west and now run a IMCA mod. My dad still shakes his head and wonders how we race on these skinny hard tires, and the claim rule is the reason I can't get him to ship his 339 out here. Good luck with your season, our is already got a few weeks in.



cozmo
Member
posted February 26, 2004 05:52 AM
Also, Zero, how do you plan on fitting that QC into your car? I couldn't fit one in my HOT chassis if my life depended on it. Not enough room for the fuel cell. Now, you're making my car obsolete as well. Don't you guys see, I am not saying that a quick change isn't cheaper in the long run. I'm not saying that they are better or worse than a 9". I'm not going to argue those points. The point that I'm trying to make, as well as Brownstone, Nut, and several others, is that we are already too close to a late model as it is. Our cars already cost wayyy too much. I've just now gotten my car to the point to where it is competitive out of my own pocket and I hear guys like yourselves wanting to try to make a better wheel. If the quick change is such a good deal, why isn't it used in NASCAR? You can't run it in the truck series, the Bush series or Nextel cup. They have wayyy more money than I do and they don't do it. Why? I can answer that. It would be too hard to police. That's one reason I'm against it. The second reason is that it won't fit in my car, and most other cars that are out there now. So you would have to get a new car or change the rear clip on your car to make it fit. MORE money. Why try to fix something that thousands of people don't think is broken? I know you can't please all of the people all of the time, but in my humble opinion, this is something that doesn't need to happen. Easier? Yes. Cheaper? Maybe. Necessary? DEFINITELY NOT!! Leave good enough alone.

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fastow
Member
posted February 26, 2004 05:34 PM
QC still the best way to go !!!!!


littleb24f
Member
posted February 27, 2004 08:08 AM
I'll admit up front this may not be exact but i think should be close.
For the 9" assembly ~$1000
Most racers prob have 2 or 3 gears @ $400 minimum ea =$1200+
Thats roughly $2200+ for the 9"

Now for the QC the price I found was for magnesium center and aluminum tubes so I would thnk the aluminum center and steel tubes would be cheaper yet, but ill run with the mag/alum for now.
QC=$1450
misc to finish asembly guessing 500?
3 sets of gears @ 60$ = $180
total roughly $2130

I know the numbers might not be exact but you can see start up cost might not be that much different but in the long run especially with multiple gears the QC would be cheaper and convenient.

Im not saying they should be legal but I dont think there is as much price difference as some may think. If you only carry 1 or 2 gears for you 9" then that may be the cheaper way but start adding more gears and its clear the QC quickly becomes better looking.

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cozmo
Member
posted February 27, 2004 10:13 AM
Asked around over the weekend and was told you can get a QC for 1400 ready to run. Which makes my example above less than 1600 for QC and 3 gears versus 2200+ for a 9".

Also he told me that the all aluminum QC isnt any lighter than a 9" so there is no advantage there either, plus it still takes more power to turn them. The biggest advantage for most racers would be the cost savings in gears and also convenience,

brownstone
Member
posted February 29, 2004 08:19 AM
QC will be legal soon..count on it.


modracr41
Member
posted March 03, 2004 05:17 PM
Racer111, I just sold my 9" and 4 gears and bought a new winters q/c. The question I have now is when is this going to be legal so I can start saving money? My daughter's college education is banking on it.


graham jackson
Member
posted March 03, 2004 06:21 PM
UMP WILL GO TO QC NEXT YEAR THEN MAYBE COILOVERS.START GETTING THE PRICE OF A MOD DOWN.