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Author Topic:   survey on quickchange rears
KMUDD
Member
posted January 20, 2004 08:23 PM
Just curious about how everyone feels about running quickchange rearends in modifieds. Run steel tubes w/ 5x5 hubs. To me the prices are the same as a floater but the big difference is in the gear prices. The last third member I bought cost me $720.19 including shipping from Speedway Motors. Granted I got best of everthing-full spool,lightend ring gear- but look at how many quick change gears you can get for $700.00. I know you can get 3rd members for around $400 but that is still high. If you travel just a little, just look at how much money you got stuck in 3rd members. It's just something to think about. Let me know your thoughts.


zeroracing
Member
posted January 20, 2004 08:59 PM
I think it wouls be a great idea. I would love to be able to make a gear change in 10 minutes instead of 30 minutes.


joeltjen
Member
posted January 20, 2004 11:10 PM
EXACTLY! it's not a performance issue, i read that you loose about 8 to 10 horse over a nine inch. yah, you can maybe gear a little closer but big deal, seems like a toss up. all you gotta do is stamp IMCA in those steel tubes and the idea will fly! LMAO


zeroracing
Member
posted January 20, 2004 11:23 PM
we could just all go run Late Models?


NJantz
Member
posted January 21, 2004 06:19 AM
I'm for the idea, but there is a slight problem involving clearance on some cars behind the rear-end. The housing takes more clearance at the center section and those of us that run rear panhard bars would really have a problem.

Greg

mdsteacher
Member
posted January 21, 2004 12:19 PM
big problem is winter's and franklin wont be able to produce enough q/c's to fit the modified world in one winter. And I know not every modified team will go out and buy a q/c but you can bet a high percentage of them will!!!


zeroracing
Member
posted January 21, 2004 01:48 PM
A quik change is the only way to go !!!!!!


KMUDD
Member
posted January 21, 2004 07:57 PM
This is why I posted this, to get great ideas.

I'm with Zeroracing in that we should all get on the phone to sanctioning bodies to address this problem. I also think the weight deal over a couple seasons is great.


NJantz, look how much TIME you have involved to shop around for deals to get 1 gear. That's great, but for the money you could have 4 to 5 q/c gears.

Maybe to be able to sell what people have IMCA's SPORT MOD class could remain 9 inch. if it ever takes off.

There's know performance advantage, just economical.

Thanks guys Kenny


bone30
Member
posted January 22, 2004 05:18 AM
If they make them legal in 05 it gives manufactures time to stock up. It also gives racers time to liqudate to other classes. I think it is a good idea to legalize but I don't like the weight penalty. I think the QC is heavier and takes more HP to run...At least what I have heard...???


UNVRNO
Member
posted January 22, 2004 08:47 PM
100% for it. Hardly any more expense and a heck of alot easier to work with!


Dman
Member
posted January 30, 2004 08:47 AM
I am not sure how many sets of QC gears you would need, but a 30 seems to be in excess. When we ran DIRT modifieds we went to the races with 30 different tires and our whole gear selection fit into one five gallon bucket ( 10 sets). We changed gears for warm-ups, heat, and feature most nights.



REARSTEER
Member
posted January 30, 2004 10:37 AM
Everyone should listen to what Dman said. It seems to me everyone wants to run a late model but they don't want to change classes and go buy one. If you want to travel all over the place and be a big time racer; step up, but leave our class alone. Everybody has forgotten what the modified class is for. A modified gives a small budget racer a chance to race a bonified race chassis. It is not intended for people who can afford to race in the xtreme dirt series.


zeroracing
Member
posted January 30, 2004 11:09 AM
The whole reason that mods dont run quickchanges is for the lower end guys(me!). This gives a guy a chance to pull a regular 9 inch out of an old truck and be half way competitive with what he has....if you let the rules go and go with quickchanges..then you just took that guy out of the equation. I know, I know...the transmission ordeal....well...someone got it across to IMCA that the burts and brinns arent performance bolt on's....only durability factors...I believe this is the only reason they let them come in. But it's all the same scenario...tranny....rearend....how much do you want to spend, how fast do you want to go? IF the payouts are here for the mods, then they should also be there for the late models.....if you wanna go faster..get on a 14" tire and go.....

my 2 cents.

jammin


Racer111
Member
posted January 30, 2004 01:14 PM
ITS BEEN YEARS SINCE I SAW A STOCK 9 INCH IN A MOD.I WOULD BE SCARED TO RUN ONE NOWADAYS.THERE JUST NOT SAFE.QC IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.


graham jackson
Member
posted January 30, 2004 03:50 PM
You guys that are happy w/ 9 inch, stick w/ it, you'll have the weight and horsepower advantage, but I'm getting tired of paying $300.00 for the minimum and $700.00 for best 3rd members. It's you w/ 9 inch that have money apparently. Yes this class was intended to be economical so isn't $80.00 cheaper than $300.00. 98 out of 100 don't go to junk yard and get there floater rearends. If you bend a tube on a 9 inch and don't change it yourself, you'll have $200.00 in it.


modracr41
Member
posted January 30, 2004 10:04 PM
The problem with a post like this one, and in the past with the bert/brinn posts, etc. is where does it stop? I mean, back when the modified class was started, it was designed to be an affordable, entry-level class. Today, it's FARRR from that. Today, there are guys out there that spend more on a modified engine than I spent on my whole racing operation. Look at the Late Model class. They've pushed and pushed until they've priced themselves out. The modified class is on the same track. I will agree, it costs less to change gears with a quick-change. It takes less time to change gears with a quick-change. BUT...........look at the guys that are on a budget. Guys that own and race modifieds and don't have sponsorship $$ to throw at new pieces. I am one of those guys. EVERYTHING I spend on my car comes out of MY pocket. So.........let's look at what is happening here. Last year, IMCA in their infinite wisdom decided to allow the bert/brinn transmissions. That was just one more step in making these cars more of a fabricated racing machine than a "stock car". I will agree that a bert/brinn type transmission is designed to be a racing transmission and therefore it is more reliable. HOWEVER, there are those of us out there that can't afford a bert/brinn. We run powerglides and lightened 3-speeds to minimize the cost. IF the bert/brinn weren't allowed I wouldn't be outclassed by someone with a bigger pocket book. Now, let's look at the quick-change argument. The quick-change rearend is cheaper you tell me because you don't have to spend the $$ for all of the 9 in. gears. BUT........ you will also gain an advantage over lots of guys in that you will be able to use the gear selection that is afforded with a quick change to gain an advantage over someone like me that can't afford a quick change, or chooses to stick with the new 9" I just bought. So, I pose the question to all of the guys that think that the quick-change is the way to go, where does it stop? If you want to spend the $$$$ to go faster, and to have that kind of racecar, then buy yourself a late model. I'm sure you can run a quick-change there, which is cheaper than buying 9" chunks, you can also run the 14" tires which will also allow you to hook up all of that 800 hp that you want to spend the money on. You can also get the benefit of having that big spoiler on the back to increase the downforce on the back of the car. You can also get paid more to start the feature than the measley $30-$50 it pays for a mod. If you don't want to make that jump, then be thankful for what you have and quit stirring up the arguments for making our mods into late models because I for one am happy with the mod I have. Just my opinion, and .................see ya at the track!!


Racer111
Member
posted January 31, 2004 12:16 PM
The Bert Brinn deal was great.If you cant afford a Bert we'll then you couldnt afford that $4000.00 trans that was already legal.We are using parts that cost more but you can buy parts that cost less.Qc is one Bert is another,why do we run sliders compared to a coilover kit,slider $85.00- $150.00,coil over kit $45.00-$65.00.Why ?They need to commonize the parts between classes.You guys that say go run a latemodel,Im betting you have never ran one theres a whole lot more then a 14 inch tire !!


brownstone
Member
posted January 31, 2004 02:31 PM
Racer111, I don't run sliders either. Nothing but binding problems from my stand point. I wouldn't own a pair. I run straight old coil springs mounted to weight jacks on top of the rearend housing. Nothing to bind if you take a "love tap." Just my opinion, and ...............See ya at the track!!


R26MOD
Member
posted February 06, 2004 05:03 PM
I am a Crew Chief on a 358 Dirt Modified, and I have seen track conditions change just before feature time. While my driver is getting the car I am under it changing gears. I my opinion a guick change rear is the only way to go.


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