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Alltel
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posted September 28, 2003 12:16 PM
Depending on the year of it, the Sardeson cars I have seen built on the 68-72 chevelle frames are nearly identical to the Harris chassis almost to the point i couldnt tell the difference until I learned what the differences were.


Alltel
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posted September 28, 2003 05:42 PM
WE had an older '94?? sardeson. Best thing we did was sell that car. It was very heavy, would take a beating but by the time you stack enough lead on to get good percfentages teh car was weighing in like 2600# without driver. I am sure there are some guys making them work but I dont think they are the most up to date on technology. I think it is basically the same car today as 5 years ago, maybe longer.


Alltel
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posted September 29, 2003 02:59 PM
Alltel, I feel your pain. We had a 93 Hubbel chassis and just reading your comments makes me wince.
Now, we own a 2001 Racemart FR-1, 1999 HOT, and a 1996 Sardeson as a back-up and reading this makes me re-think the Sardeson thing altogether. Maybe we need to polish this turd now, sell it and find another Racemart or HOT. Thanks for sharing your painful story with us, and good-luck. Maybe you'll find a way to get another chassis before next season. See ya at the track!!


tilley88
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posted September 30, 2003 01:29 AM
Hey Alltel, don't give up on it if you run a heavy track. You won't need as much rear %. If it gets dry, tho..........


MOD178
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posted September 30, 2003 08:15 PM
We run a 2003 Sardeson modified. It is a 3 link swing arm with a rubber bisket pullbar. Pull bar is mounted left of drive shaft and is a long bar. Front stub is a metric frame. lf spring 700 rf 850 lr 250 rr 200. 49% cross 58.5 % reat 51.5% left side. 40 pounds of lead on rear of car. 20 to 40 pounds left rear bite. car weighs 2330 setup like this with out driver. On heavy track i put a 750 left front spring in, helps car turn. I am happy with this car. The car is smooth most all of the time.


TRM38
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posted October 02, 2003 10:19 PM
Alltel
What front stub does your car have? Sardeson uses all 3 Chevelle stubs depending on your preference. We have a metric car we are finishing up. It has the reversed Nova lowers, and looks very similar to a Kosiski K-Mod.
Our old car is a '95 Sardeson with the 68-72 Chevelle stub. This thing is a banger! It has the 73-77 spindles and tie rods which are heavier and stronger. Unfortunately, this makes the rear percentage a little light and the overall weight a little heavy. However, if we wanted, we could go back with Pinto spindles, etc and take a good chunk of weight off of the front. With the new transmission rules, a Brinn or Falcon would take off about 25-30 pounds from the powerglide we had in the car. The weight of the transmission is also on the front of the car. The thing I like about Sardeson cars is that they don't scrimp on the important parts. My old car took a couple of tremendous hits over the years I ran it and it survived with minimal damage, and more importantly, I came out in one piece!
Ron Sardeson is a great guy to work with and is always willing to help. I'm looking very forward to getting my new ride on the track next season!


Alltel
Member
posted October 04, 2003 01:47 PM
It's a 95 car(3 link) with the 68-72 model chevelle frame. I know it's heavy, but the hoover I have now is even heavier. I ran the Sardeson car with a lot of success for my first year in a mod. I think we only had about 54% rear in the car, but it was always a smooth good handling car. It's definately what I'm going to run next year. I was just looking for some comparisons to help with setup ideas, because there aren't any of these cars around here. My main problem with the sardeson was getting forward bite, and more and more cars are running on 3 wheels nowadays. I have a friend running a brand new chassis(I'm not going to name it, but it's a major chassis manufacturer), and the chassis is bent, not from contact, but just from the car biting and the motor torquing over. He tried to convince me to buy one of his old chassis, but after he spent 10 minutes trying to find a spot on the car where he could put a jack without bending the frame, I decided I would be better off with a stout car. He's fast, but he also has the money to buy a new chassis every year. My car is going to have to last me. I tried to email the sardeson people, but I haven't gotten a reply. I quess I'm going to have to call them.


TRM38
Member
posted October 04, 2003 02:36 PM
That would be real similar to my car.
Mine is a Z-link w/ a 22 gallon cell.
Weight was 2370 with no driver, no lead, but full tank. Barely 55% rear. There are a lot of things you can do to reduce front weight. I would suggest Pinto spindles, and if possible switch to a lightweight transmission (Bert, Brinn, Falcon). That should knock off 50-75 pounds easy. Should be worth 1 1/2- 2% increase on rear weight.
Also, can do some little things like the mini starter, plastic fan, aluminum pulleys, swedged tie rods, etc.
All very simple to do, just a matter of how much you're willing to spend.
I would suggest calling Ron up, he is very helpful.
Good Luck!