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Author Topic:   Tire treatment / softener
BrianW
Member
posted August 25, 2003 01:09 PM
Has anyone used any of the tire treatments designed to keep older tires soft (i.e. track claw, Formula V, or the Pro-Blend)? not looking to soften up the tread but just maintain the original durometer ratings of the tires.... Gotta conserve the budget

Also - someone told me that this stuff can be made a lot cheaper - anyone have a "formula" for some?


Chad
Member
posted August 25, 2003 03:18 PM
I'm not endorsing, but, I had a Goodyear engineer tell me to use 50% tuolene and 50% zylene. Also, he suggested to put 8-12 oz inside the tire. I know this will get alot of replies, but, it's just what I was told. You must be careful with this stuff. It is hazardous and very carcingenic, so wear protection if you've going to try it.


BrianW
Member
posted August 25, 2003 04:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Chad:
[B]I'm not endorsing, but, I had a Goodyear engineer tell me to use 50% tuolene and 50% zylene. Also, he suggested to put 8-12 oz inside the tire.[B]

So - have YOU tried it? Does it work? I would think that that would soften up the tire a lot!! I don't want to make them so soft that they wear out faster, but just want to make them "more like new"... I'm using several 2-3 year old tires - can't afford to get new ones with all the mechanical problems that I've had

Also - even without the safety concerns - wouldn't 8-12 oz throw off the balance???

Racer X
Member
posted August 25, 2003 06:53 PM
We use a grinding wheel on our tires. It work very well, we seem to get 3 or 4 more races out of a RR tire. Also it seems to help to grind tires when the track goes dry slick....plus it's much safer then cemicals!!!!! Just watch the fingers.....


REARSTEER
Member
posted August 26, 2003 10:05 AM
I KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO SAY; YOUR CRAZY. EMBALMING FLUID FROM THE FUNERAL HOME. IT IS ILLEGAL TO PURCHASE AND IF YOUR CAUGHT WITH IT WITHOUT A LICENSE, YOU WILL GO TO JAIL.


Chad
Member
posted August 26, 2003 10:36 AM
BrianW- I have tried the the formula I explained, but to tell you the truth, I didn't feel any advantage. I know what you're trying to do, I too have some old hard tires. Make sure you do what #13 mod explained. Grinding the tires does help and should always be done first. You should also consider flipping the tires to make sure you always race on a fresh edge. Cleaning the edge up with a grooving tool would also help. Lastly, I should let you know that I run primarily on heavy hooked up tracks, so the tire softness isn't as much an issue as running on a dry slick would present.


BrianW
Member
posted August 26, 2003 01:07 PM
Thanks for all the replies - the track I go to usually goes real dry-slick in the summer. I've tried the grinding the "glaze" off the tires before a race and really haven't noticed that much of a difference - I guess I'll try that a couple of more times before I try a chemical treatment.

Chad - did you take durometer readings of the tire before and after the treatment? If so can you compare that to a "new" tire's reading?

Chad
Member
posted August 27, 2003 09:31 AM
BrianW- I did take readings, but, unfortunately it was 3-4 years ago and I can't remember. I think it softened the tires about 10 points on the durometer, but don't hold me to that. Like I said before. Make sure the leading edge is always sharp and fresh, you might use a grooving tool to clean up the edge. This makes a big difference. Try flipping the tires around to help.


b4racing
Member
posted August 27, 2003 02:35 PM
soakem in diesel a couple of hours before the race and let them set in the sun. Works great. BObby


BrianW
Member
posted August 27, 2003 06:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by b4racing:
soakem in diesel a couple of hours before the race and let them set in the sun. Works great. BObby

Diesel - wouldn't that make them awful slick?? When diesel splashes out the side of the truck all it does is stay slick, doesn't evaporate and attracts dust

Seriously - does it soak into the rubber or stay on the surface???

66jj
Member
posted August 27, 2003 09:08 PM
I cut up pieces of a tire and tested.

hot lap 2

hot lap

track claw

fast lap or something like that.

unscented mineral spirits

scented mineral spirits.

long story very short, guaranteed. fool proof test, and used under racing conditions also.

scented stinky 2.99 a gallon mineral spirits worked the best.

test it if you want it is easy cut up a tire in chunks soak a rag and put tire piece in it then put it in a ziploc bag, durometer it every 24 hours. youll see.

after soaking in a bag which is how i did tires they need to set at least a day, they will harden back up some, you can take a tire for example that i was using. it was new at 68 used at 72, used twice at 75, then soak it to 60 easy takes 3 days or so.

i found that the tires needed to warm up, i raced pavement and the tires were better new, and i couldnt afford to buy them weekly. mine did not ever time in as good as new, but they got better grip the longer i raced..........

tilley88
Member
posted August 28, 2003 02:59 AM
On assfault? I've heard of a mixture 4 parts deisel to 1 part tranny fluid soaked 3-4 hrs. weekly does the trick on dirt.


racerwilson
Member
posted August 28, 2003 11:38 PM
You can try the diesel fuel if you want! It will soften up the tires on the durometer. I got them 10-15 points lower but that doesn't mean they will get better traction. Lets just say that is the only night I have ever been lapped on the track without a mechanical problem. Smelled like a truckstop when I got to my trailer!


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