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rocketwildone
Member
posted July 02, 2003 07:23 AM
I hear people saying they get the LF so high they cant see over it?
My problem is i cant get the LF off the ground at all.I do believe that keeping 4 tires on the ground is faster, but would like some weight transfer to the RR.Have a 4 bar with the LR bar all the way up.RR bar 2nd from top.Lower arms level.
800 springs in the front ,250LR behind, 200RR spring in front.
Have tried 19" J-Bar and short J-bar.Short bar gets car up on LR bars but not over on to RR? 200# of LR bite.


rocketwildone
Member
posted July 03, 2003 08:27 AM
112 views and not 1 reply???
Whats up???


DMS CEO
Member
posted July 03, 2003 08:38 AM
YOU HAVE TOO MUCH LR TO GET IT IN THE AIR


rocketwildone
Member
posted July 03, 2003 09:38 AM
to much LR??Please explain.I thought the more LR the lighter the LF gets .The more Diag.% The more the LF comes up???
Am i thinging wrong??


i8uracing
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posted July 03, 2003 10:27 AM
Soften the right rear spring to a 150#. That should do it.


superdave
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posted July 03, 2003 12:32 PM
Make sure the rught front is stiff enough also if you're using a four link LR.

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rocketwildone
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posted July 03, 2003 12:51 PM
what do yo mean?About the RF?I have a pair of 800. The RF is usually bottomed out.


JDTURNLEFT
Member
posted July 03, 2003 01:06 PM
I just ran a new car last saturday, for the heat I had the same problem, LF carried 3/4 lap. I talked to the builder and I had too much angle in J-bar and it was loading the rear too much. I will find out saturday if it cures the problem. I am set up with #525LF #725RF #250LR #200RR for springs


GRTWallbanger
Member
posted July 03, 2003 11:04 PM
When the car gets up on the LR bars it increases the crossweight a ton. If you're RF is too soft the LR will not have enough weight left on it to get the better bite.

The four bar car is a weird deal and is really geared toward a specific track and condition. If you travel to various tracks you better know what changes to make every time.

Good luck,

dluna
Member
posted July 04, 2003 01:21 PM
One person says too much LR bite (most likely high cross %), and others say more cross weight???

I guess it has to depend on driving style and technique. I have tried to get out car to pull the LF just for fun (makes for cool pictures) and can't make it work - 3 link, 200lr and 150rr springs, 650lf and 750rf springs, have tried level j-bar to 4 inches of rake, usually run 52%cross...maybe not enough motor

Greggie
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posted July 06, 2003 03:12 PM
He said left rear, but the total left side weight is what will keep your LF on the ground. If you can get down to around 52% left side, you should be able to pull the LF at will.

Greggie

mod27
Member
posted July 06, 2003 04:01 PM
we run over 53% left and over 53% cross on our Z-link swing arm, and without even trying it 3 wheel's in the corners, comes down on exit and stays fast.
750 LF 850 RF
325 LR 300 RR


mike10az
Member
posted July 06, 2003 06:36 PM
what size tracks are you running on?


GRTWallbanger
Member
posted July 06, 2003 07:27 PM
My understanding is that you don't really want your left front coming off the ground that much. Various E-mod and late model drivers/crews I have talked to have said this. A little bit of lift won't hurt you, but it is better without....I dunno, this is just my understanding of the whole left front wheel in the air issue! We never set up our cars to lift the front left, and we seem to do quite well. (Which could be accredited to different driving styles I suppose.)

What do you all think?

DWorks_05
Member
posted July 06, 2003 10:34 PM
I agree with Anthony USA. I talked to Dan Schlieper's crew chief after the TOPLESS 100 last year and he told me that you have 4 wheels for a reason. If you have ever seen Bloomer and all those guys run and even most of the top modified guys they all have 4 wheels on the ground.


rocketwildone
Member
posted July 07, 2003 12:20 PM
Have you ever seen Schlieper run a 4 bar car?Last year at the summer nats at Hales Corners you could have walked under the LF.
Now guys running a Swing arm, Thats different, the LF does stay on the ground on those.


MiPinto6
Member
posted July 07, 2003 02:06 PM
Local track champ here runs a swingarm mod. He always carries the left front and he always wins. He's been mod champ at two tracks three years and counting.


DWorks_05
Member
posted July 07, 2003 07:33 PM
Yes he did run a 4link at batesville and u can always find A track that is extremely tacky where people will lift up the left front. I can promise u that none of the top dawgs set their car to pull the left front. And the guys who run a swing arm they are usually better on a tacky track than a 4bar and any car can lift the left front under certain circumstances but my opinion is that it is not the fast way and im just tellin you what "Rich" (Schliepers crew chief) told me


dirtywrench13
Member
posted July 13, 2003 09:03 AM
drop the angles on your four link on the right side to the reccomended angles set by the manufacturer.leave the left side alone and hang on to your a**!


glen73
Member
posted July 13, 2003 09:55 PM
I have a 3 link flexi flyer,run rubber biscuit top link.
I thought about at 1 of the playdays next year trying the 3 wheel deal,just to see what its like,and they do make for some pretty cool pics,is it hard to go 3 wheelin with a 3 link?


nut3d
Member
posted July 13, 2003 10:29 PM
I'm runnin a grt 3 link non swing arm car wit a long panhard bar behind rear end and i got mine to 3 wheel.


jczerneski
Member
posted July 23, 2003 05:54 PM
I've been spending some time watching oter cars and how they work with know good drivers in the car and had the stopwatch on them as well. If your out front I say it is fine to 3 wheel but deep in the pack or running a 1/2 miles track it seems to hurt the lap times. Most of the guys pushed from the middles of the turn and were dangerous to be on the outside of. I'll tell you we saw the easiest way to get by someone 3 wheelin is to take them into the corner higher than they want and see how well they get around the corner then. Some forms of racing will black you for doing it as it is dangerous to others they feel I guess. Looks cool to the average guy sitting in the stands though.


mod27
Member
posted July 24, 2003 04:34 AM
There was a car last saturday at our track (4/10) that had fastest time. He ran on 3 wheels, won his heat but in feature it had all 4 wheels on ground most of the time and it was slower.


rocketwildone
Member
posted July 25, 2003 09:10 AM
The fast qualifier at my track also rode on 3 wheels.And then started on the pole of the heat.Still fast on 3 wheels, but...............come feature time he starts in the middle of the pack and has a hard time running more than a few laps before he hits somebody(everyweek!)
There is a time to 3 wheel and a time not to.
When i started this post i tried to state that.Sometims 3 wheeling is the fast way.

[This message has been edited by rocketwildone (edited July 25, 2003).]

roger rabbit
Member
posted July 26, 2003 10:15 PM
Ihave a master built mod 4bar left swing arm right. Itwheelies like nothin you have ever seen. the r. steer must be close cuz you can wheelie all the way around the track without lifting your loudpedal much at all. if this set up intrests you call me. i like a smoother ride . Id like to sell the car. great times qualifie. personally i think it ***** in traffic . 989-687-9324 roger


chevy guy
Member
posted July 27, 2003 02:32 PM
we run a z link on right side with a 200 and swing arm on left with a 225 (i think)with a 950 on rf.. somewhere around 65% cross and 305lbs of lr bite and we ran a full lap with the lf tire probably a foot and a half off of the ground in our heat and were uncatchable for a while and then we started losing ground untill about 3/4 of the way thru the heat the distibutor gear broke


chevy guy
Member
posted July 27, 2003 02:33 PM
on about a 1/3 mile track that is


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