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Ryan Lingner
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posted June 30, 2003 03:27 PM
Does anyone have these rules posted on a site or can someone e-mail them to me? I have seen a few rules here and there but not all of them. This class sounds like it will be big in a few years.


speedman
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posted June 30, 2003 08:08 PM
Call M&M Motorsports 309-796-0633.
For pictures of Sport Mod go to
m-mmotorsports.com . They have one for sale


racer17j
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posted June 30, 2003 08:09 PM
the only thing that class will be in a few years is a big flop for the cost you can build a regular mod and be done with it add that m&m up 11,000 for a chassis basic rules in a nutshell ford stub only ,stock mount shocks up front only,powerglide only,spec heads,intake and carb, no floaters chevy 350 only,3 in offset wheels only, 3 link rear suspention only,compared to our limited mods wich is imca mods with last years tranny rule and hobby stock motor rules i can get a front running car for less then 6 grand turn key now after you add the 600 for a tranny and 1200 for motor parts you have to use thats a 13,000 to race for 200 bucks sound like a real winner of a class to me so far i've only seen 2 of those sport mods don't exspect to see anymore they realy could have something good there if they went away with the spec and knit picking crap but they are imca so they never will as long as somebody fattens the pockets with sponsor money when they make it manditor for them the run their spec part. think they should do like we do so you could run a used chassis or go to rules like sims does thats a good class for a "low budget rookie racer to have some fun in and not go bankrupt tring to get started

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Ryan Lingner
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posted June 30, 2003 08:49 PM
I like some of the spec stuff as I think it keeps everyone on the same playing field so to speak. I'm not to wild about the ford stub as alot more used chevy stubs running around. Are you saying that with a motor and trans change a spec mod wouldn't be able to run with the reg mods? TO me the only issue that I see making the intial cost higher is the ford stub deal. I really think all they needed to do to the reg mods if they wanted to control cost abit more is cid rule nut let the big motors still run just with alot of weight hung right on the front end. Hard to say what the class will do maybe I should wait and see abit first. Hate to buy all the stuff and then not have much of a turnout for the class.


superdave
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posted June 30, 2003 09:20 PM
Here's some good shots of IMCA's Sportmod. http://www.salinaspeedway.com/sportmod/sportmod.htm
It is an M&M Chassis also. The Ford frame makes sense because it's not a detuned and recycled IMCA mod it's a completly seperate class. The motor is a hobby motor with a spec head and intake to keep the price down. No more changing to the latest Dart head or paying a premium price for junkyard heads and two barrel intakes. You buy one set and keep them.

Don't let the pro chassis builders price scare you off. With no changes to the front end and the same solid three link rear on all of them you can build your own a whole lot cheaper.

Good luck,

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Ryan Lingner
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posted June 30, 2003 09:27 PM
nice pics. now for the rules. Anyone have a complete set anywhere on the net that I could look at? Either that or send me a copy by e-mail. Superdave, do you think some of the area tracks around Joplin,MO will pick this class up?


superdave
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posted June 30, 2003 10:05 PM
With any new class it will take some selling on IMCA's part to get tracks to start a brand new class. Of course that's what they have done with the Sunoco Mods, Stock Cars, and Hobbies so so far so good.

You can use the old chassis for the first two years if your track allows it and most probably will. You will probably have to run the spec motor parts and solid three link rear suspension which should be simple and cheap to put on any current chassis.

There are no electronic copies of the IMCA Sportmod rules around that I know of. Wait till next years rules come out to be sure any changes made between now and then are included. I'm sure their will be some dyno testing being done with the new heads and different intakes to select an intake.

The payout will be spec also but for as many that complain they don't pay enough there are plenty more who race for fun and will be more than happy to get a $150 winners check. Low pay keeps big headed big money racers away.

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racer17j
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posted June 30, 2003 10:10 PM
dave have you ever heard anybody complaining about the skyrocking cost of imca hobby motors? this is my point why not just run those motors isn't the whole point of the class aimed at the guys that are already running this stuff anyway?i could build a long block with heads from jr or midwest for less then 700 buck compared to having to spend 700 on heads alone. if they would go with hobby drive train rules it would be a great class and i would start to build one this winter.spec 3 link hey all for it still not sold on the ford stub deal but it can be lived with i can see the point there you have to run a glide well thats 600 more i would have to come up with compared to a guy that has a 3 speed all ready to go with a couple spare trannies he's collected over the years now are swap meet parts and you never get out of them what you paid for um. i'll give you a perfect example of how this could work the guy that is currently leading points in our limited mod class sold his hobby as a roller 1500 bought a roller mod for 3000 and put his hobby drive train in it and there you go 1500 investment and races for 225 weekly.compared to 13,000 whats more affordable. but imca will be imca and affordable is not in there vocab


lucky13
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posted June 30, 2003 11:18 PM
I will agree that the b-mod deal sounds good to me. I don't know of any tracks close to me that run them though. Having been to school for autotive machine I do know that those 20 sets of heads might be free or next to but the machine work and parts aren't. Are they less expensive? sure they are but in the end they are still stock gm heads. I hear what your saying as far as guys still getting the spec heads worked. What can you do some will never play by the rules and others will. Ahrd to say how the final rules will allow for the b-mod class cars out there now to run with them. As far as 150.00 to win. I hope that was just a number and not the real one,ha. That is bomber pay around here. I would be very interested on the spec pay scale if that was serious. I just want to race for fun but don't want to be insulted either. My wife and I sat down and put everyting down on paper and she had a good point. With a good used car, say 4500.00 for a good roller and hopefully alot less,ha as compared to a new spec mod chassis, maybe 12,000.00 roller and still no drivetrain. The difference in the two rollers would be 7,500.00. Heck I could have a big motor then with a used chassis,ha. I just want to get into something that I can afford to race each week and still keep the wife happy. [IMG]Is that posible? Thanks for all the great responces glad I found this site. http://www.thedirtforum.com/ubb/smilies/cwm3.gif[/IMG]


superdave
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posted July 01, 2003 01:52 AM
Too many people making assumptions based on the view from their one or two tracks they race regularly. The idea that Bmods are sucessful at every track they run at is big guess. They aren't. The SIMS/ULMA sanction is already in turmoil because they have changed the rules so much already. The racers have found ways to spend $1000 for a rear end to meet the non-ford nine inch rule.

The Hobby guys ARE complaining about the cost of good OEM heads and intakes because people are stocking them up and selling them at high prices.

Someone must know more about the spec heads than me because they already know the spec head is $700? Is that a pair? Ready to race?

"I'll give you a perfect example of how this could work..." Pure guesswork. Roller for $3000? Where? Use Dirtwoks and Harris cars go formore than double that.

Will the "I love Chevies only" people please gt over it. The spec frame is a front steer double a-frame style probably copied right from a chevy.

The truck nine inch rear end in the car I pictured cost $100. Rebuilt calipers, used OEM rotors, studs and Speedway weld on brackets for brakes and three link come to less than $300.

The Powerglide probably isn't set in stone yet so don't go overboard on that one yet.

When you run that skimpy lightweight frame you're running now into the wall and someone has to replace it with one that needs 7 hours of prep (per jet racing I think) what's that make the cost of the chassis now?

Not everyone has 20 sets of stock heads at home ready to race. Some have none yet.

The spoiler is just aluminum bent on a brake.

For all the people who want to stick to the Hobby engines as they are now there are one or two guys at your track that will ruin a class like that. Maybe we jut trust everyone to promise to keep their car that way?

I'm not that keen on $150 to win either. Should be at least what you pay the Hobby Stocks if you have them.

I only need 5 or 6 wheels and tires at one time since they ar all the same offset. Money saved isn't always up front but often the operating costs after you buy the car.

The 500 2 barrel is the most cheated idea in racing. Small gains in flow equal big gains on the track. The intake and heads will keep the useable RPM's down.

And on and on. Existing bmod racers are the ones complaining about the Sportmod. Racers looking to move up or into racing mods are calling for details and talking to their promoters. Parit means oportunity for racers to win and promoters and fans to enjoy a good. close race every week.

A quote from a top 5 mod chassis builder at the Beatrice Spring Nationals "In five years there will be more Sportmods at weekly tracks than regular mods".

You're right I could race for free but even when I did race I never looked at the purse. I looked to see if I could win.

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Ryan Lingner
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posted July 01, 2003 02:24 AM
Dave, Great post. When I was trying to compare used roller price I just took an average of what I have seen cars that had a couple of season on them that still would be good to get started with. I know some are alot higher but I have also seen some for alot less. As for the pro chassis builders thinking the class will be bigger I think it will as well over time. But I sent an e-mail to 3 chassis builders asking for a price and info and didn't get a responce back from a single one of them. I guess they don't want to incourage the class. The chassis of the month theory will be out the window in this class. Well whatever the class ends up as I'm sure your right as the rules will be adjusted as input is givin. The heads are somewhere around 700.00 ready to go. Hard to beat that in my oppinion for a new casting with new everything. I wonder if they took and kept illeagal parts like they do in Nascar when they find someone cheating if that would keep someone from playing with the spec parts. Afterall a spec head that has been altered isn't worth much to that racer anyway or at least not for that class racing anway. I was just glad to hear that the sport mod class will run in the nationals next year. One of my racing goals is to at least run the nationals once. Been going for a long time and always have a great time. THe track prep work done that quickly is the best I've seen.


DElliott19
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posted July 01, 2003 12:08 PM
One rule I wonder about is the rule that was stated in the beginning-- If you have a current IMCA license then you couldn't compete in the sport mod. I don't know if that is still a rule they are considering but it seems to me a lot of modified drivers that have struggled over the yrs would fit well in this class and would be willing to move into it. But may not be able to because of that rule. Hopefully that will not be apart of the rules package.

I believe the class of limited modifieds is a great idea and seems to have alot of interest. Lots of good ideas and lots of different directions you could go.

I do think using the current modified chassis would be ok and then mandate the 3 link rear if that was needed and restrictive ignition system, carburetion, clutch and tranny restrictions, etc. Then develope around those areas. This may not work either but just another opinion.

Ryan Lingner
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posted July 01, 2003 12:36 PM
When I talked to a guy with IMCA Monday they did drop the rule about the license. I think they had just been kicking it around. He made it very clear to me that the current mod class will NOT be allowed to evolve any further from it's current state. He said they plan on keeping the reg mods that we have now just not allowing any future developing of the car package.


dirtbuster
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posted July 01, 2003 02:05 PM
i dont much about this whole subject just bits and pieces that i have read around here and there. Originally i thought it sounded like a good idea, basically you could run a mod but with the drivetrain and engine expense of a hobby. But the whole idea of using a completely different frame doesnt make much since to me. Why make anyone interested go buy a brand new Spormod frame when there are plenty of good used mod chassis out there. Plus if the guy ever wants to move up to reg mods he now has to buy a different car instead of just upgrading some equipment. I think the 3 link rear is a good idea, 9:1 engine rules similar to hobbies, even give 2 choices of trannies, but if they make it a specialized frame they wont get the numbers they are hoping for. With the amount of used mod equipment out there it would be a good place for the a mod guys to move some of their older stuff and let the sportmod guys pick it up at reduced rate.


Ryan Lingner
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posted July 01, 2003 02:47 PM
The IMCA guy I talked to mentioned several reasons for the Ford chassis. They are everywhere. They just stopped making the chassis in 02. A bit more sturdy than the metric so thinking is the chassis would stand up to more "rookie" experiences,ha. Aren't some of the current mods being built on the Ford frame now? Those guys will have an excellent way to sell off their old cars. This might sway more guys to build on the Ford chassis for the reg mod class as well. I think IMCA is just trying to take the checkbook out of the race and put the driver back in.


modman97
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posted July 01, 2003 07:31 PM
The initial sport-mod concept is a good one. Just like Keith Knaacks vision was with the current mod class.
When I first started racing IMCA mods, I bought into their , affordable racing, level playing field ideology. I smartened up!
I see the sport-mod with an aweful lot of SPEC parts. SPEC = $$$ for IMCA.
IMCA does a wonderful job of calculating points and marketing themselves. Their main concern is making money off racers! I credit them with finding yet another way to do so.


superdave
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posted July 02, 2003 12:39 AM
The only spec parts so far are heads, intake, and tire. The references to Speedway parts are to clarify the rules a little better but not mandatory parts.

While the IMCA mod is more expensive than it probably should be it is still a far cheaper top class than the other sanctions and series.

Good luck,

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George Gilliland
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posted July 02, 2003 09:55 AM
The whole IMCA concept is wrong here. The idea was to recycle used modifieds and use hobby stock motors. This would make a low dollar fun class. This is a reaction to the fact that they have let the modifieds get out of hand.


dirtbuster
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posted July 02, 2003 10:49 AM
thats what i thought as well.. the thought of being able to pick up a good used mod chassis and slap in a hobby motor and go have fun sounds like a winner to me. Besides allowing some low budget teams to get into mods it also gives the hobby guy a chance to move up and still use his motor, tranny etc. Then after a few years they can step up if they want to regular mods and not have to go get a whole new car.


Ryan Lingner
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posted July 02, 2003 11:46 AM
The trouble with using "just a hobby/street stock motor" is it could and most likely would get out of hand fast. I think the spec heads and intake allow someone new to come in and more at the level of others as far as motor program. As to having to buy another new car when time to move up to the reg mods, why? Put your better trans in motor. Get some weight jacks move the shocks and give it a try. I think if you talk to alot of street stock guys they will tell you that the motor deal is out of hand in street stock as well. Matter of fact I know of a few of them that if they could drop weight to same as mod they could give several fron to mid pack cars a run and may surprise a few guys. I will say that I think the pay scruture that they come up with will be key I think more than any one thing. If you can get paid the same running 8th in reg mod as winning the sport mod a I don't think the class will get many drivers.


George Gilliland
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posted July 02, 2003 01:11 PM
For those who don't know: A hobby stock motor is 360 cid, no stroking, 9;1, stock unaltered heads and intake, stock rocker arms. They use machines to check the displacement and compression ratio.


kong
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posted July 02, 2003 01:16 PM
kong...I think you hit the nail on the head, with the "couple hours and a welder" remark. The problem with racing today is that there are way too many people with way too much money ruining the sport because they want to but everything ready-made and not BUILD anything. I can't get over the amount of people who will pay $100 for a bumper made of $10 worth of tubing and 30 minutes of time. I think it all comes down to NASCAR gaining popularity and all these jacka$$es thinking they're gonna be the next Jeff Gordon. They're on the right track; they all whine like a bunch of little girls...now they just need better haircuts.


JDF Motorsports
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posted July 02, 2003 07:04 PM
I think the target hp for the class was said to be 300-350 hp. I would guess that the chassis manufactures that have worked with IMCA to come up with this chassis set up must have thought so. Maybe, maybe not but I will wait and see when they get out on the track with them.The thing I didn't like to hear was nthat IMCA was going to stop the progression of the reg mod class where it is now. By the way he told me that I kind of felt the writing was on the wall for the reg mod class in the future and that was my entire interest in the class as someday I could move up. I thought for sure that IMCA would allow a fabricated front stub at some point in time with the dwindling supply of frames other than Ford but I guess not. I do wonder if this decision is also a way to get the reg mod guys to move up to late model calss and help bring the numbers back up in that class. When they allowed the trans rules in mod like it is I look at that as the first step in a several year process. Just a guess though. The moving mod drivers currently up to late model was never mentioned by the guy at IMCA that I talked to just something I thought out in my own twisted litlle mind,ha.
I felt it would be better to start off with guys that had less expierence like me. I didn't want to start off in the mod class and just be in the way. I would hate to make a rookie mistake and take a guy out that is running for points and had a car that could win. Hope that makes sense the way I typed it.


racer17j
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posted July 03, 2003 12:13 AM
i will agree that yes someday down the road you could use that chassis and move up my gripe with the whole deal is the spec crap and lack of options of what tranny to run mark my word when they come out with the spec head for this deal i'll bet a six pack with anybody that who ever makes that head will all of a sudden become a sponsor of imca can you say$$$$$$$$$$$ just like they did with the 350 holley in stock cars. back a few years ago we had no cid or compression limits on our hobby class and there was about 5 guys that won every week now we are running the 360 9-1 and pretty much half the feild can win on any given nite. comp and cid rules are the best way to level the field and keep cost down end of story putting a $1000 set of heads on a $300 short block doesn't make the racing any closer nore does it make it affordable. like i said i could build a long block with stock 76 cc heads from a speed shop for less then the cost of a set of spec heads and it will last me all year. and take into consideration all the tracks that are currently running the limited mods under the rules that goerge and i's track runs they have enough of them around that they have b mod nationals this week in s minn.. now under imca rul;es chassis wise i could run with them but i would have to take all that spec stuff off and put my stock back on. it just don't make sence but it will make imca some $$$$$$$$ if it flies


superdave
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posted July 03, 2003 12:27 PM
The Sportmod frame is a good chassis. It is raced with IMCA mods and works. Where do you think they saw the first ones used?

It's a big decision to go with spec parts but if they aren't claimable and much better than OEM castings then you're money ahead in the long run. Many a racer has quit racing because he can't afford to keep up, not because he's a bad racer. The way IMCA does spec parts you'll have choices of where to buy them which will keep the price down. Competition between retailers does just that. Even the 350 carb has dropped dramatically since becoming spec for the Stock Cars.

The show is very important. While racers are concerned with just one car, their own, and one position, first place, a promoter has to have a good show to sell. Close competition is what sells tickets.

Pro Topline will be building the heads. Who isn't an IMCA sponsor? The list is a mile long.

I see the current guess on spec heads is up to $1000. Kind of high for a stock replacement head with a few letter cast in the ports.

Anyone can call a race a "Nationals". Lets see how many Bmods show up first. I see they are using two sets of rules for that event.

We have 40 mods a week at Salina and many have won with a simple three link including all three solid links. When the Sportmods are all three link cars we can stop buying the trick of the week parts.

Racing is always a losing proposition moneywise. Two ways to cut your loses are to race for more pay, not a promoters first choice by far, or spend less money to race. Spending less is always easier. Spec parts make it easier for the tech people to keep the cars legal.


I wonder at times if racers are worried that when the cars are really equal if they don't think they can drive it to first place.

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dirtbuster
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posted July 03, 2003 01:25 PM
If spec parts are such a good idea why doesnt IMCA do that with the regular mods and do away with the claim?

Why dont they p u t restriction on CID and compression on the regular mods?

If it is because they dont want to have to tech the cars so close then what makes you think they are going to tech the sportmods that way. I guess this is IMCA way of saying they s crewed up the modifieds by implementing a claim rule instead of setting rules and teching for them.

As far as money goes you cant keep it out altogether. Remember racing is a hobby and if you cant afford it then maybe you need to find another hobby. The teams with deep pockets will always find something else to **t money into besides the engine. Then the others will have about something else to complain about.

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lucky13
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posted July 03, 2003 01:51 PM
dave i realize anybody can call a race nationals my point was there are enought cars alreadsy running these midwest mod rules that they are now **tting on specials for them is all i was saying. the y are using different rules but thats because one the wisota santioned cars don't run imca tires thats the only difference. proline heads are on average 700 bucks ready to go plus what ever intake they deside on and i believe they went with the holley 750 carb right? thats where my 1000 on 300 short block comment came from. for those who have not seen the midwest limited mod rules here they are

This is an entry-level class designed for drivers to gain experience and knowledge in a modified chassis at a lower budget.

Do not build beyond the intent of this class.

2003 HANCOCK COUNTY SPEEDWAY MODIFIED RULES APPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTIONS.

1. Fuel-gasoline only. **mp gas. Fuel cell vent hose must extend to within 2 inches of the bottom of the cell and be securely fastened.

2. Drive train: OEM manual transmission (3 or 4 speed). Stock clutch or mini clutch allowed. Aluminum flywheel allowed. MUST have FULL SIZE steel bell housing. Flywheel MUST bolt to crank shaft. Starter must bolt to engine block or factory location, Or, an OEM automatic with a coupler. Must use a hand or clutch pedal operated ball valve for neutral. NO bump starts. Must use flywheel shield. All forward and reverse gears must be operational. Ford 9" rear end allowed. Floater recommended

3. Tires: Any G-60 McCreary IMCA stamped. Bead locks on right rear only. Tire grooving allowed in original tread pattern only. No siping. Do not groove factory sipe marks.

4. IMCA wheel with or without sticker.

5. ENGINE: Engine must appear strictly stock. All motors must be 9. 0 to 1 maximum compression. Only stock appearing crank and rods. No aluminum or light weight allowed. A minimum 2-inch plug above the oil level in the side of the oil pan recommended. If you do not have a plug, the oil pan will have to be removed at the time of inspection. Absolutely no Stroking allowed! We will use the tube for evaluation of CID. If Tech Dept. does not like the results of the test you will be tore down at your expense. This means building on the edge could cost you money! If you do not believe our results you may protest engine for $100 and we will measure bore and stroke. If Legal, protested car will get $75 and Tech Dept. will receive $25. If Illegal, car will be disqualified and receive no points or pay for the night, plus receive a fine equal to what his winnings would have been for the night. If car is found illegal, $75 will be returned to protester and Tech Dept. will receive $25. Protested car must finish race in the top four for protest to take place. Only drivers may protest another car.

MINIMUM WEIGHT
A. * 2450 lbs: Chevrolet and Ford with stock rocker arms.

B. * 2550 lbs: Chevrolet and Ford with full roller rocker arms.

C. *2650 lbs: Dodge with shaft mounted stock steel adjustable rocker arms.

(*) Weight will be reevaluated at mid season.

6. A. MANIFOLD: Only stock, unaltered 2 or 4 barrel cast iron intake manifold. Porting, polishing or port machining are not permitted. No Bowtie, after market, SVO and W2, marine, VORTEC or other special production intake manifolds.

B. CYLINDER HEADS must be cast iron stock production. No aftermarket OR VORTEC. NO porting or polishing.

7. Roller cams and lifters NOT allowed. NO REV KITS ALLOWED.

8. Must use OEM distributor and ignition. No multiple spark ignitions.

9. May use aftermarket headers.

10. CARBURETOR:

A. 2 barrel only. GM on GM, Ford on Ford, Chrysler on Chrysler, or #4412 on anything. Holley 500 CFM 2 barrel, part #4412 with a 1-11/16th maximum throttle bore. No grinding or polishing of any kind allowed. All carburetor components Must be for a 500 Holley. No milling or grinding of throttle shaft allowed, shaft must stay round. The choke and air horn may be removed, this is the Only re-working allowed. Casting line at venturi must be present.

B. Carburetor adapter plate or spacer allowed.(See spec. below)

Important: Distance between the bottom of carburetor and top of intake manifold Cannot exceed one and one quarter (1 1/4) Inch!!

Example adapter: Trans-Dapt part #2086 will adapt Holly 500 to GM manifold.

No high performance adapters allowed, spacer opening must be perpendicular to

the base of carburetor. Adjustable sliders allowed to tune engine then slides must be filled for the rest of the season.

C. The promoter or any driver has the right to claim a carburetor from any car finishing the feature race in the top four (4) positions for $125.00 or $25 and exchange. The driver being claimed has the option of cash or exchange, except with promoter. No driver may claim more than twice in one season. No driver can claim the same car twice.

D. No fuel injection, no electric fuel **mps. No belt driven fuel **mps. **mps must bolt to block in stock location.

11. SAFETY EQUIPMENT: SA90OR SA95 HELMETS REQUIRED.

12. PROTESTING PROCEDURES AND ENGINE TECH PROCEDURES (COMPRESSION AND CUBIC INCH), WILL BE AVAILABLE OPENING NIGHT OF THE SEASON.

13. GOOD ADVICE: HAVE YOUR ENGINE BUILDER LEAVE YOU SOME ROOM FOR REPAIRS. ONE NIGHT WITH OUT POINTS COULD COST YOU A CHAMPIONSHIP.

now if you want to add a spec rear suspention to these rules fine great idea other than that low dollor learning class that helps the regular mod guys sell there older stuff. myself if this guy buys my bomber i have found a few good used cars for the same price so realy all i'm going to have to come up with is an oil pan and a set of headers and if i want to but i don't absolutly have to buy a 4412 carb instead of my roch 2brl compared to having to buy a new set of heads new intake new carb and new chassis. if i wanted to have to buy all that crap i'd just run stock car and be done with it **** at least that way i could use my spare parts i've got laying around

superdave
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posted July 04, 2003 11:59 AM
I don't think IMCA planned on having any sanctioned Sportmod tracks this year. They put the rules out and see what's talked about at tracks and of course all these forums. They read em' like anyone and sift through the BS I'm sure to get everyone's opinions. People complain they are never asked their opinion but you don't have to ask because everyone with an opinion speaks it and writes it anyway. (including me)

By the end of the season I bet the Sportmod rules are much more concrete and permanent by then. The tranny is still up in the air as is the intake, ignition, etc I'm sure. BUt as long as you talk about it IMCA will know what you want.

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Elmo
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posted July 06, 2003 07:05 PM
You guy's call me crazy, but I think IMCA is on to something here. To me they missed the mark on the chassis. What everyone seems to be directed towards is a full mod chassis. Why? Your asking for the "money" to win if that's what you want. Anyone running a B-Mod can run down to Dirtworks and spend over 10 grand on a chassis for what you call a "B-Mod". This class is not intended to be a move up to the big boys and bring your chassis with ya. It's intention is to lower the cost of racing in all respects.
As far as I'm concerned they missed the mark when they did not stipulate factory lower trailing arm mounts must be used on frame. I think it's time Local tracks and sanctions allowed the shortening of frames to 108. If nothing else, it saves the racer money by allowing them to pick and choose a much more available frame. IMCA should allow the large GM Metric along with the Ford frame. Personally I feel that Sanction mentioned earlier - SIMS, will have to allow the shortened frame due to availability (or lack) of the small metric frame. The 8.8 ford rear is pretty stout, and so is the GM 8.5. Thousands of racers are running these rears without the problems associated with the SIMS 7.5 26-spline wimp. Hence the reason why some racers have spent 1000 to beef it up. Another thing many Racers are forgetting while running those ford 9" floaters is they are pigs when it comes to weight. Very heavy. So, IMCA if your listening, here I feel is your answer.
OK, don't everyone flame me at once.


B MOD MAN
Member
posted July 06, 2003 11:02 PM
01 Star Wars - 4500 roller
00 Sardison - 5000 roller
96 Speedway - 2000 roller
99 Smiley's - 7500 turnkey with brinn
95 Harris - 6500 turnkey with glide setup for alky
02 Kosiski - 8750 roller
03 Jet cobra - 8500 roller only 25 laps
02 Dirtworks - 7500 roller with spare parts

M-M Motorsports Sport Mod 10900

I got the prices for the mods off of IMCA's clasified section along with different builders websites. So what I take from reading this topic is it will cost me at least 13,000 to race this economy class when I can spend under 10,000 to build a competetive car for my tracks limited mod class. I know of a lot of things I could use the extra 3 grand on.

racer17j
Member
posted July 06, 2003 11:35 PM
your right elmo right now anybody can buy a brand new car and call it a b mod but with a spec rear suspention that kinda throws that out the window. it's kinda like in hobby stock classes when everybody has to have the hot new chassis when actully if you set it up right you can win with anything because you are all running the exact same suspention and have the same limits on the motor so it goes back to driver and getting your setup right


superdave
Member
posted July 07, 2003 12:29 AM
New is always more than used but you get what you pay for. What kind of shape is a 3 year old mod chassis and running gear going to be in when you get it? After all it's been raced with much more motor and speed than you will in the Sportmod. Used tires and wheels are good for? You're comparing apples to oranges.

Yes, IF you buy the M&M chassis it will cost more. But you're paying for labor and other things you can and should do yourself. They are but one chassis builder so far. As simple as the chassis is there will be others for less. In two years what can you get a Sportmod chassis for?

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racer17j
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posted July 07, 2003 09:17 PM
dave with our rules used tires are very good because we don't have to pay for 1/2 a tire like imca does we can get all the life out of them after we grove them as a matter of fact any of you guys got some setting out back that you can't get rid of that still are good other than being out of tread all take then off your hands.and what you get with used stuff well we got 5th the other nite 3rd nite out in the car in our outlaw mod class against skyrockets,larson's and a bunch of newer dw's and harris's in our 92 shaw that we updated so like i said good setup you can run up front with anything


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