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mod27
Member
posted June 03, 2003 07:05 PM
I was informed today that kendall oil was bought out about a year ago, and that the company who purchased them is just putting their oil in under the kendall name.
I was told you are not getting the same grade of kendall oil i use to get last year.

We are always the last to know.....

madmodshoe
Member
posted June 03, 2003 07:43 PM
Yes, I questioned it when it from green to clear/yellow. Quit using it at that point.


Tom Asmus
Member
posted June 03, 2003 08:49 PM
What did you guys switch to?? I have run Kendall and Mobil synthetic.


madmodshoe
Member
posted June 03, 2003 09:31 PM
good ol valvoline 20w50 racing


lucky13
Member
posted June 03, 2003 09:45 PM
We used to run Kendall to break in an engine then switch to synthetic but since the kendall has changed and seem to be harder to find we started using valvoline vr1 20/50 racing oil. then switch to synthetic. OIn conventional we would change oil every 2 nights. On syn we change filters every 2 and usually make 6 nights before changing oil.


racer71
Member
posted June 04, 2003 10:41 AM
i use race 20-50 valvoline it seems to be the best oil for me i have used not green kendell and val race20-50 in the same year on 2 diffrent motors and noticed a big difference in the berings my was very noticeable val look almost like new and kendall was down to copper we cahnge oil and filter every week it cheeper to change oil than a motor thanks

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patrick


devil wrench
Member
posted June 04, 2003 11:22 AM
Hey guys...I live about 30 miles from the original Kendall Refinery in Bradford PA. The old flagman at our track is the foreman in the machine shop, and quite a few of the racers work in the plant. It was sold about 7 or 8 years ago to the American Refining Group, makers of BradPenn oils and bottlers for Gulf. That's when the Kendall name was sold to someone else. Not sure who was the original buyer, but it's been passed around like a drunk whore at a bachelor party. EVERYONE up here used to use Kendall and Kendall only. Now we see Valvoline, Mobil, and Pennzoil. I got a deal goin with the big V, but the late model I was on the crew for had a deal with Pennzoil. Haven't seen any problems with either.

You guys that are seeing the differences in the oil...the formulation for Kendall has always remained the same, even through the sales and resales. The difference is the quality of the base stocks used. The green stuff can only be found in the woods right here in NW Pennsylvania. Pennzoil moved to TX about 10 years ago when they came up with PureBase technology. They can remove ALL of the asphalt from the asphalt based crudes, with are MUCH cheaper than the paraffin-based crudes of my area. That technology is now used by Mobil and Valvoline as well, for sure. I don't know about any of the other companies.

hogracer
Member
posted June 04, 2003 01:43 PM
The Kendall website says the oil is exactly the same they just removed the dye used to make it the green color


HarrisMod#30
Member
posted June 04, 2003 02:35 PM
It wasn't dye...but nice try on their part.


dirtsquirt
Member
posted June 04, 2003 05:51 PM
I guess a lot of us are from the old school. we run a lot of straight 50w. Products like Pennzoil and Valvoline have been stables for years with Amalie years ago. Now of late the 20w50 have crept in with Valvoline being the front runner followed by Castrol GTX.

We have run Chevron Delo 400 50w in the past on alchol with excellent results.

I feel as long as the oil is recommended by the eng builder, I don't have a problem with any brand.

racer 4
Member
posted June 04, 2003 09:32 PM
look on the label the clear stuff is made in California--DT


Pickles
Member
posted June 05, 2003 12:11 AM
On using old oil. Check the bottom of the container after you pour the oil out. Depending on the brand and it's age you may see some of the additives that have seperated out and settled on the bottom of the bottle.


hogracer
Member
posted June 05, 2003 07:39 AM
HI Dave,

I have forwarded your e-mail to our technical support team, however, I can
assure you of the following -
- we removed the green dye, yes
- the product quality is not equal to, but better than, the original
formulation of GT-1 (we upgraded the formulation to an SL+ technology early
last year)

If you have any questions pertaining to our products or services, please
feel free to contact our Technical Services Hotline at 800.368.1267 or
contact us via the website.

Thank you for your interest in Kendall.

Susan Tate
Director, Kendall Sales
ConocoPhillips Company
(610) 280-4074
(610) 280-4080
Susan.M.Tate@conocophillips.com <mailto:Susan.M.Tate@conocophillips.com>


This is a copy of their response to my E-mail


GO 24
Member
posted June 05, 2003 03:04 PM
Use Mobil 1 15w/50 synthetic, change it & the filter every 4 to 6 races depending on how dusty your track is and then check your bearings at the end of the year. You'll kick yourself for not switching to synthetic before, for alky burners Red Line works great.


dirtbuster
Member
posted June 05, 2003 04:04 PM
We ran mobil 1 for years on alky and didnt have any problems. I know it is not reccomended but from what I have been told its fine as long as long as you dont make a habit of running overly rich and filling the crankcase with alky blowby because the M1 is not compatible with alky. This year we have switched to Royal Purple which is formulated for alky. If i were on gas i would stick with M1 for the price. Either way i am convinced synthetic is far better than conventional if you can swing the price increase, part of which is offset by the extended drain intervals.


mod27
Member
posted June 05, 2003 04:40 PM
Copied from above:
- the product quality is not equal to, but better than, the original
formulation of GT-1 (we upgraded the formulation to an SL+ technology early
last year)

I would have to disagree with what she said. My motor and bearings show alot different.
I use to not worry about the oil, but lately the inside of motor has not been showing the same results as i use to see with the kendall oil.

I made the switch to valvoline.....


Iowamod20
Member
posted June 06, 2003 08:04 AM
I also used to use Kendall GT-1 ever since I started racing, and my Dad used it before that for years. No problems in all those years. Last year we ran it as always, and when our motor guy did the tear down at the end of the year, he was shocked. The motor looked like we put a 100,000 miles on it!

You can tell the oil is different. The old stuff used to stick to your fingers, and you had a hard time wiping it off. But now, its not like that at all. Whether that is better or not, as the Kendall lady said above, I don't know.

We have switched to Valvoline 20w-50 for this season. We will have to wait and see how the motor looks after 25 nights on this stuff.

Dman
Member
posted June 06, 2003 09:09 AM
Has anyone ever tried Northland oil?
or Synergyn synthetic oil?


Bumper
Member
posted June 06, 2003 12:14 PM
I am a firm beleiver in REDLINE oil. I can run it 5 0r 6 nights and it comes out looking new. The rearend oil does not smell so bad either.


devil wrench
Member
posted June 06, 2003 02:38 PM
Got to thinkin about it today at work. Conoco may actually be taking dye out. But only if one of the other manufacturers started to put dye in after they quit using PA Crude. BradPenn is the only true PA-grade crude on the market.

But now that the PureBase technology is here, PA-grade doesn't really mean much.


Something else to think about...if the oil comes out looking like it did when it went in, it must not have much detergent quality to it. Whether that's good or bad is up to you. When mineral oil turns dark, it's dirt and contaminants suspended in the oil that do that, not the heat of the engine.

[This message has been edited by devil wrench (edited June 06, 2003).]

fury
Member
posted June 06, 2003 04:50 PM
i always ran valvoline 20-50 until this year. changed to royal purple 10-40 and i love it. went 10 nights on the oil and it still looked good. i change the filter every other night. i still use the valvoline to break a motor in though.

luke

dtd_93
Member
posted June 09, 2003 12:14 AM
well I for one have always ran kendall ran it in everything we got... use to be in truck pullin ran it in our 468's and when I went stock car racin kept runnin it... our engine builder never said to change oils and well I donno if he has noticed a diff in how any of the other motors he builds are lastin... so I for one am kinda confused on what to do now that I have read this... but I guess I'll do what he says till I hear differently


Elmo
Member
posted June 20, 2003 03:41 PM
I have a friend who fried his gas-burner, I mean it was cooked, over 300 degrees. When he tore it down, the most awful smell, it was bad, stunk up everything it touched. We really were worried that the 5k motor was a total loss. After everything was said and done all he needed was to resize the rods for insurance, rebuilt with rings and bearings. If you can afford to run Royal Purple, it will more than pay for itself in the long run.


robskins75
Member
posted June 23, 2003 02:14 AM
what is the best make and wt oil to run on alky? also how many 20 lap races would you guys go between races? we have been running V1 50 and changing every 2 races we also run lucas oil treatment in as well thanks


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