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whitesracing
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posted March 10, 2004 04:11 PM
standard or auto trans

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whitesracing
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posted March 10, 2004 06:02 PM
I think that the first thing that I would look at see if th fly wheel turns stright (NOT BENT) if it is not turning stright that would explane your delema if it is stright then I would look in to a different starter
a known good unit off a running engine and see where you are @ let me know what you find out

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whitesracing
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posted March 10, 2004 06:13 PM
what did you set the pinion clearance at? the best way I have found is to insert an 1/8 rod between the starter pinion shaft and the flywheel should have a slight drag just like setting a valve,starters from the zone come with this gauge rod in the box with the starter or use welding rod another thing if possible use an end brace on the starter to the block this helps a ton hope this helps.


joetaylor
Member
posted March 10, 2004 07:03 PM
OK IF YOU HAVE INSTALLED 4 F/W AND 2 STARTERS I WOULD REALLY LOOK AT THE STARTER
WHAT IS HAPPINING IS THE STERTER ISTEARING UP THE FLYWHEEL IN STEAD OF CHANGING THE F/W I WOULD CHANGE THE STARTER OFF A DOWNER SOMETHING THE SOUNDS GOOD I'M THINKING OF MONEY SPENT AND THEM HANDS I'M BETTING THAT THE STARTER DRIVE IS WHAT IS DOING IT

I'V HAD THAT PROBLEM BEFOR AND IT ENDED BEING THE STARTER ENDED TAKING ONE OFF MY TRUCK JUST TO GO RACE

whitesracing
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posted March 10, 2004 07:11 PM
Have you tried a mini reduction starter?

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19J
Member
posted March 10, 2004 07:31 PM
Check your crank, yes your crank. See if the thrust bearings are wore out. If the carnk is wondering in and out a little that will cause the damage. Also check the starter gear to flywheel. Make sure it is extending all the way into the flywheel, not just alittle over lap.


autodoc999
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posted March 10, 2004 10:52 PM
Check your electrical system. first check to see that you have good grounds. Clean all conections. I run 2 grounds from the block to frame. If you run a ford solenoid[if you don't, you should] check all connections there. Have your battery load tested. Hope this helps.


19J
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posted March 10, 2004 11:41 PM
Is the starter chewing up the flywheel because it's too close or too far away? You shim it if it's too close, but if it's too far away you may need to get the starter (or block) machined for it to mate correctly.

Was this a block you had used before?

gould
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posted March 11, 2004 07:25 PM
make sure the flywheel isnt on backwards.

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whitesracing
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posted March 11, 2004 07:46 PM
heck, just try a junkyard starter and flywheel, ya never know

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whitesracing
Member
posted March 11, 2004 08:09 PM
Make absolutle sure that the starter is setting flat and true to the block. If you have a pair of headers that you ran over something on the track with and their bent they could be holding the starter at a slight angle to the starter. I have seen it happen. It's just a suggestion and it sounds like you getting desperite. Good luck and let all of ue know what you found.

Ha, here is another thougt. Can you find out from the guy you bought the block from what he was doing for a starter and or if he had any problems.

waltonjr1
Member
posted March 12, 2004 02:47 AM
Last time i had this problem it was the bolts. If the bolts are off slighty it can cause **** . You should have about 1/8 of an inch of shoulder past the flat surface on the starter. check it out with your starter out and see what the shoulders look like. Thats all i can think of besides you having the wrong tooth count on the flywheel, but im sure you checked that.
Good luck, this could be one of most fustrating things on an engine.


Flanndad
Member
posted March 12, 2004 05:17 AM
No one else has mentioned this yet, but doesn't Chevy make two different sizes, like a 153 and a 168 tooth flywheel?

You are mating the right combo together aren't you?

rico 08
Member
posted March 12, 2004 06:09 AM
Probably your problem is the starter is too far away from the flywheel,try shimming just the outside hole and go from there,this will close the gap...i had the same problem years ago.


whitesracing
Member
posted March 12, 2004 06:41 PM
Have you checked the pilot bushing? Are you running a mid plate between the engine/transmission? If you are do you have the extended pilot bushing?


whitesracing
Member
posted March 12, 2004 08:54 PM
I have a friend who went through the same problem.......His fix has been mentioned but perhaps it's worth mentioning again.

Same deal...if he got it shimed perfect for the first time.......it messed up on the second......the starter was moving a small amount.

His fix, new bolts and the brace at the back of the starter. Problem solved......for him anyway....lol

Cheap enough to try........

good Luck,
snowman


rico 08
Member
posted March 14, 2004 07:36 PM
you know...1/8 seems like alot,i've always heard to use a paper clip for a gauge,never tried it but it's another thought.


bigcityracer
Member
posted March 14, 2004 09:52 PM
Honestly I am about out of ideas for you. Here's something to check. If your motor is out, bolt up the starter and pull the gear out by hand into the flexplate, see if it will line up properly.
Take it lite. You could always by the kit so you could push start an automatic.


19J
Member
posted March 14, 2004 10:12 PM
The paperclip goes between the flywheel and the starter gear with the gear out. If you pull apart 20 starters from different places the gears will be different sizes, also the shaft and nosecones are different.
Bolt up the starter and extend the bendix and hold it out. A paperclip should fit snuggly in the valley between the gear and the flywheel.


Ego Racing
Member
posted March 15, 2004 03:17 PM
P.S. I had a block in a drag car once that liked to eat starters. We found the bolt holes were off of alignment. We ended up elongating the bolt hole in the starter and building a brace for it to get it back into alingment. It was twisted away from the block. We found it by measuring from the block to the side of the starter all of the way down the starter and you could see the distance increase.


rico 08
Member
posted March 20, 2004 07:50 AM
Yep,me and ego are on the same page,i'll bet it's out of whack in that department(drive gear to flywheel)


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