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Author Topic:   Batteries
joinme34
Member
posted February 19, 2004 09:26 PM
What are folks running for batteries in the street stocks. Recommendations on type and size?


redneck racing
Member
posted February 19, 2004 11:00 PM
Used to run the Exide Nascar Select have now up graded to the Exide orbital gel battery. Eddie


bobaluuu
Member
posted February 19, 2004 11:07 PM
optima gel red top 775 cca/ don't use a deepcycle marine battery has good reserve but slow response on initial volt demand

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zeroracing
Member
posted February 19, 2004 11:28 PM
performance distributors dyna-batt 12 volt for cranking and dash lights and their 18 volt for ignition together they wiegh 23 lbs and they both fit in a marine battery box.

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racer17j
Member
posted February 20, 2004 05:45 PM
i'm with zero i bought the cheapest parts store 1000cca battery i could find with a warrentee every year i run it down and trade it in on a new one i do that with alot of things will never pay for a battery or starter ever again and will have a new one every year whether i need then or not


bobaluuu
Member
posted February 20, 2004 08:13 PM
I cant help but take serious issue with racer17J. This attitude toward the auto parts
retailers is wrong. plain and simple it
is gross abuse bordering on fraud. This forces everyone to share the cost for his racing. And we all pay a higher price for
our own products due to false defect claims.
racing any product causes strain and wear not designed to last a normal warranty period.

[This message has been edited by bobaluuu (edited February 22, 2004).]

racer17j
Member
posted February 20, 2004 08:36 PM
i'm sure that the parts stores are going broke over it too just like zero said you pay $100 markup. on parts at a min you pay cost plus 20% on anything you buy the prices you pay for everything else more then makes up for a $20 battery and $10 starter a year. i'm sure that fuel pump for my 94 achieva realy cost $ 100 to make too but i'm the bad guy


bigcityracer
Member
posted February 20, 2004 08:48 PM
As long as they honor the warrenty then take advantage of it period. That why there getting your bussiness, FREE REPLACEMENT or you would not shop there in the first place. It may not be right, but the stores offer it not us.


te33
Member
posted February 22, 2004 04:01 PM
If you guys ever roll over and end up with acid all over your car/firesuit/helmet/you. You will see how cheap an Optima battery is.
As for the original cost of something...If you guys spent 10's or even 100's of thousands of dollars to invent something that cost 10 cents to make are you going to sell it for 10 cents? I dont think so.
Viagra costs about .02 cents a pill to make. It took over 8 years of testing and development then 2-3 years of clinical testing to get cleared to sell it by the FDA. When all was said and done the price was well into the MILLIONS of dollars before they could sell a single pill. So should they sell it of .02 cents a pill!


sideways
Member
posted February 22, 2004 06:45 PM
ego that is exactly why i never recomend mounting the battery behind the seat and putting it in the trunk in a marine box that happend to my uncle back in the 70's. i realise they need to make money on everythign but if i pay the extra 10 bucks for a part with a liftime replacement i'm gonna get a liftime out of it i didn't make up the deal they did so why am i a bad guy fro getting what i paid for


way2fast72
Member
posted February 22, 2004 08:26 PM
hey guys,we returned a set of main bearings with a lifetime warranty and they were replaced,go figure.lol Im with 17j on this one, they made the deal, not me.

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zeroracing
Member
posted February 22, 2004 11:52 PM
Caution - preaching to follow.

You guys can justify it all you want, but what you're doing is lying. I know AutoZone and Advance have racing disclaimers in their warranties and imagine everwhere else does as well.

If you guys can justify what your doing by saying that they charge too much for the parts for your "real" car, thats fine, but don't try to fool yourself that what you're doing isn't dishonest.

Whether or not you should put bargain basement parts on your race car is a different issue. Personally, I have no desire to risk my safety or $10,000 race car by using AutoZone garbage. Nothing more complicated than electrical tape from AutoZone goes on my car.

dirtbuster
Member
posted February 23, 2004 08:56 AM
If you were buying a part and using it in its intended purpose then I would not have a problem with the warranty use. But to buy a part that you know will be abused and prob not hold up and then take it back to get a free replacement well thats a whole different story.
But I think the parts store guy has to be held a little responsible too. I am sure there are disclaimers in the warranty about not being used for racing and if you are taking a battery or starter in every couple months then I would think he should be a little suspicious himself. I personally have been to O'reillys when a guy brought in a bent center link and they would not warranty it because they knew it had been raced. He threw a fit because it was supposed to have lifetime warranty but they didnt budge.


c21
Member
posted February 23, 2004 09:08 AM
The parts stores offer free replacement to help them gain business. I buy most of my parts from Advance or AutoZone, simply because I dont have the funds for high performance stuff (like most others). By them replacing parts when they go out, they have gotten alot more of my business. I buy everything from there. Now I do not return a battery every year to get a new one, but I will take a starter or alternator back in a heartbeat.


racer17j
Member
posted February 23, 2004 05:07 PM
keep in mind guys that those straters and battery's are rotated on and off my truck also several times i have had to pull one off the other at the track or on the side of the road i can't aford to get a good mini starter or i would so i go for the best deal i can get for me i have bought several 2 year replacement battery's that die on you a week after the replacemnt is up


c21
Member
posted February 24, 2004 09:18 AM
I still say go with at least a 12/16v combo. If you use common sense it tells you that even a factory HEI was designed to perform at 14.5 volts. if you run straight 12 volt batt and no alternator i don't care how new or old your battery is it will never be above 12 volts after start up. so in effect your ignition system is not operating to it's full capability which results in having to run a narrower plug gap and reduce your jetting. less fuel and spark= less power. plain and simple. not to mention those embarassing nights after a long feature when you win and your car wont start in front of the grandstands.!!!!!

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c21
Member
posted February 25, 2004 09:59 AM
Buckle up, everybody. We're about to start yet another debate on alternators or not.


dirtracer7
Member
posted February 25, 2004 06:02 PM
being in the repair buisness when I put a part on a car and its junk right out of the box do you think they pay me to replace it a second time.Or the part that I bought 2 years ago cost 20.00 and cost 30.00 now for the same thing.Or the gas that changes 25c a week. The parts stores are putting plenty of money in their pockets


bobaluuu
Member
posted February 25, 2004 08:33 PM
so your justifying abusing a warranty program of any kind by the statement
"they're making plenty of money"?
I don't want to beat a dead horse
but ask yourself "Would I teach my
child that this is ok?" I promise to
let this issue drop. Thanks guys.


eaton89
Member
posted February 25, 2004 09:35 PM
Abusing the poor parts store warranty, what a bunch of ****. I live in oil field country, oil field town. Over half of the town works in the oil field. So should they not be allowed to buy liftime parts do to the fact their trucks are always off road. They abuse their stuff more than anyone I know. How about hunters and street hot rods. Just because they have a big motor or a big 4*4 are they exempt too. I think who ever came up with the idea of lifetime parts has taken this into consideration when they put a price on the product. Is it fair. I doubt they care. We are just a few fish in a big pond. Do you really think that us few are going to take away from all of the others. If it wasnt making them money they **** sure wouldnt be doing it. I'm sorry but I sat here and read and read and had to say something, but I feel better now that I *****ed a little.


Mikey14
Member
posted February 25, 2004 10:11 PM
I bought a lifetime warrantee on an alternator for my truck. Replaced it 4 times in 6 months before they finally "upgraded" the part from a reman to a better reman. I argued with the manager regarding the warrantee and the ****y part. It was his impression I should pay for the upgrade because I kept having to replace the alternator. He finally decided it was better to give me a decent product then deal with me every 2-3 weeks. It took a call to the AVP though. What was he supposed to do, I paid the extra $$ for the warrantee. I don't feel the least bit upset swapping out the junk they push on me, exp. since he usually has to order the "better" stuff and only stocks the cheap parts. The sad thing is if he would of stocked the better stuff, I would of bought it instead along with the warrantee. OH and brake pads, I get new ones every two years with out even flinching. The things wear out quick when you pull a trailer don't they. I do all this and guess what, they love it when I come in because I spend money there. I don't care about mark up, developmental cost for battery research or any of that other junk. Honor the promises you make with the warrantee that I pay extra for, give good service and you'll get my money everytime. Heck, they make more on me with the ammount of oil and filters I buy then any $13 water pump or $38 starter anyway.


Kent
Member
posted February 26, 2004 03:09 AM
I bought a 1000 cold cranking amp battery from Advance Auto parts last year and it has been trouble free! I never have had the need to recharge it on race night even if I have had to run 3 races in one night! I do not use an alternator either! With a larger size battery you can also use it to help with your rear and left side weight.


Ego Racing
Member
posted February 26, 2004 06:55 PM
On a vechile driven to and from work I do not see a problem with the warranty, that is what it is for. If you look in the print it says it is only covered for it's originaly intended use, (ie...a street car or truck) I have never seen a company build anything intended to be used on a racecar and warranty it for life. If you do not think there is anyting wrong with it tell them it is on your racecar and see how they feel.


racerwilson
Member
posted February 26, 2004 08:04 PM
my parts store replaces ball joints that are bent in an "s" shape off of a 75 monte carlo when he knows I drive a 2000 dodge 2500 4x4 p/u. And he called it a factory defect.....WHATEVER! They have the ability to defect just about anything just if they will. We have not bought a set of sparkplug wires in about 4 years.


RangeRover
Member
posted February 27, 2004 06:17 AM
Get you a good size eighteen wheeler battery. I ran the same one for four years.


dirtbuster
Member
posted February 27, 2004 02:00 PM
I wouldnt go overboard and get a huge battery, unless you need the weight. Unless you do a lot of cranking and your car is hard to start a regular sized car battery should be enough. WE have used the red top optima in our mod for the past few years and have never had trouble with the battery not being strong enough or lasting long enough.

I would also be careful with overcharging them. A trickle charger will do wonders to help maintain the life of a battery. Instead of blasting it for a couple hours with a high amp charge just let it slow charge at a few amps all day, and if it gets hot shut it off and let it cool.

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Ego Racing
Member
posted February 27, 2004 03:46 PM
We had an Interstate battery short and blow up our charger, We took them both in and they gave us a new battery and sent us a new and larger charger.


joinme34
Member
posted February 27, 2004 09:32 PM
So nobody really runs a deep cycle even though there's repeated charging required when running without an alternator??


racer17j
Member
posted February 28, 2004 12:48 AM
you can't get the cranking amps needed to turn over a hi compression motor with a deep cycle


Racer X
Member
posted March 01, 2004 09:07 PM
Starting the fifth season on the optima. When it bites the dust I will buy another one. I can't remember who, maybe speedway had them for about a hundred bucks.


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