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Author Topic:   Camaro vs Monte Carlo
Owner 99
Member
posted December 13, 2003 09:30 PM
I see that a Camaro won at Batesville special. Why are the Camaro's so much faster than the metrics. Is it the leaf springs vs the crapy f-link or is the front end that much better on the Camaro? Can you make a metric faster than a Camaro?


racer17j
Member
posted December 13, 2003 09:52 PM
just depends on who's drive'n and who sets it up around here leaf cars get smoked in other placed metrics get it. but in thery the camaro is easier to get rear % of if you can't add weight and has beter front goemetry

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dirtrace
unregistered
posted December 13, 2003 10:44 PM           
how many modifieds were ever built useing the oem 4 link? what about lates?

you couldnt possibly count the number of mods,lates etc that have used leaf springs.


also ask yourself how come IMCA wont allow camaros?


racerguy500
Member
posted December 14, 2003 08:28 AM
A metric will kick a camaros **** every time. And a camaro will kick a metrics **** everytime. Depends on who has it and what else they have, dry or wet track and other things. The camaro is a few hundred pounds more though. about equal if both are set up right though. The tires hook it to the track and they have no clue what body you are running. So it is between the driver and setup that decides.


racer17j
Member
posted December 14, 2003 09:14 AM
dirt racer thats not realy a just comapaison the mods that are using leaf are most light mono leafs with a coil on top of it and panard bars and torque links bascly the leafs are there to hold the rear end they are not just a leaf and a shock like on a camaro


dirtrace
unregistered
posted December 14, 2003 09:30 AM           
no, fr1 mods built today are multi leaf and very popular,as well as sardeson, pro, dirtworks, and on and on, all sell , and sold tons of multi leaf mods look around at the classifieds they are everywhere....


also there were multi leaf lates, even at the world 100 just 2 years ago, being driven by top contenders, I would have to look up the article again in a magazine to see who it was who just switched from his most basic leaf car to a link car.

WHY doesnt imca allow camaros??

Racer17j are there a equal number camaros and metrics at any tracks you go to?

Why do they allow metrics to move the rear mts, now IMCA is allowing metrics only tubular uppers,lol.



racer17j
Member
posted December 14, 2003 10:42 AM
we run imca rules so we don't have many camaros other than the end of the year show and they get smoked every time they come around. imca doesn't alow a camaro because it's a performance car same reason they don't alow mustangs we do have a few nova's and mopars and there are very few people that can get them to work i have driven bolth and don't like the leaf cars takes a very different driving style. out of all those chassis you mentioned around here there is only one of those chassis that was fast let alone winning that that was a dw and not a leaf car we had a shaw leaf car and ended up cutting the rear clip off and replacing it with a 4 bar z link and would never go back to a leaf in our regular mod maybe on a b mod because you don't want as much bite in those cars because you don't have the power. there is a reason you see alot of them in the classifieds you ever see guys sell something they like 95% of those i'm willing to bet don't get another leaf car to replace the old one

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JDF Motorsports
Member
posted December 14, 2003 01:30 PM
Very old topic.....Metric and Camaro are very even on tacky tracks(big or small), Camaro is faster on dryslick. Just my .02


JDF Motorsports
Member
posted December 14, 2003 02:10 PM
yes the reason i'm selling mine is because i want a different class not a different car i'll just keep mine and it won't bother me a bit to run it again i just don't want to run in the lowest class at my track my whole life.the reason it hasn't sold yet is because i won't give the dang thing away like everybody thinks i will i don't need to get rid of it that bad. all my point is you can't compare a stock setup to a mod setup they are apples and oranges


Eljojo
Member
posted December 14, 2003 07:28 PM
I went from a nova to metric and last year Camaro. Hands down the Camaro is the most forgiving car yet. I LOVE IT!


15a
Member
posted December 14, 2003 07:38 PM
It must depend on what part of the country your in because here on the west coast I've never seen a metric beat the camaros. I'm sure there are some metrics that are faster than our camaros but I've never seen them. The biggest thing I've found with the camaros is keeping good leaf springs under them. I can really tell the difference after about 6 races. Put a new set of springs under it and it flies.


Owner 99
Member
posted December 15, 2003 10:46 PM
Thanks for all the replies. The track we run at is in the midwest. They just decided to let Camaro's run this year, trying to get more cars in the street stock class. It is not IMACA sanctioned.

It seems like they are going to let just about anything go as long as you make it look stock or use stock factory parts. I was thinking about a metric with a three link rear using the stock lower trailing arms, and a panhard bar off one of the newer gm cars, and a lift bar off a newer camaro or maybe run an upper link (long trailing arm) at about a 15 degree downward angle from top of the rearend housing down to frame. I have heard some of the guys have been moving the upper a-arm mounts and running nova lower a-arms to help the front geometry. Do you metric guys have any tricks?

zeroracing
Member
posted December 15, 2003 10:55 PM
Actually the spec fr-i (old pro copy) is a multi/mono combo car. Of course you can order it any way you want.
Built stockers for many years. The difference between the two comes in what the rules package is. If you have no weight rule and are allowed weight jacks then the metric can be competitive, but without an easy way to change the roll center the car lacks on adjustability.
If you say, a 3000 pound weight rule then the leaf car is by far and away the better choice. The front end geometry is better and you have a progressive style of spring in which you can change the roll center and dynamic wedge thru the use of lowering blocks. The down side to the leaf car is all of the meat that you have to put into the rear of the car to stiffen it. JMHO.


dirtrace54
Member
posted December 16, 2003 07:48 PM
Think its a combonation of things. I personally love the larger montes over anything. I have also been told that next to a metric or nova that i would get smoke. The I won the championship. Metrics are good too, but i dont like camaros. I guess my driving style complements the metric. I feel it all depends on the driving style, track, and rules. Just like some like a loose car and some like a tight car. I dont look at whats running up front, but what I feel comfortable in and like. One of my best friend love camaros and we have both battled up front so I feel it depends on a bunch of variables.


NYhick
Member
posted January 03, 2004 01:43 PM
Read Steve Smiths book "street stock chassis tech" and then tell me a metric is better than a camaro. He hardly even talks about metrics because camaros are so much better. You dont see camaro guys trying metric spindles and nova spindles to try to get a decent handling car, they already are. Metric cars need parts from good cars to make them go. Yeah you can convert a cadillac into a good street stock if you steal parts from a bunch of other stuff to make it what it isnt. If you are strictly stock, camaros are much better, just listen to yourselves... you answer your own questions.


PEDDLER
Member
posted January 03, 2004 04:59 PM
I really don't think the leaf springs are the important part of the Camero. Th part a few touched on is A.engine location in regards to the spindle line, B.better front end geometry,C. better rear percentage, D. lower center of gravity.

Just my nickle.

bobaluuu
Member
posted January 03, 2004 09:59 PM
I gotta take exception to Mr hicks words.
metrics don't need parts off of "good cars"
to be competitive. many variables come into play but its whats strapped into those seat belts that makes the most difference. Camaroes have virtually disappeared from our tracks. I really don't know why. lap times have steadily moved up as we come to an understanding of the metrics handling characteristics. Our streek stock metrics are now running a full second faster than thunders from 3 years ago, go figure.

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rico 08
Member
posted January 04, 2004 09:10 AM
At our track the dominant cars are metrics,one is extremely fast.His best competition was a couple camaro's tho.I have a steve smith book myself and back in the 80's it was state of the art setup info,i think it's partly outdated nowdays.If you can get the metric to turn it'll run with the camaro,just harder to get off the corner.IMHO


speedyd1
Member
posted January 07, 2004 05:59 AM
camaro -better front end geometry. better camber gain. otherwise equal on the front end. the rear is where the difference comes in. the leaf spring setup is more user friendly. you'll have a more difficult time adjusting the 4 link suspension without some modifications. in stock trim - no mods - the camaro wins. with a few minor changes the metrics are ultra competitive. then you have the whole argument of availability of parts etc. and difference of 108 vs. 112 wheel base. who knows exactly - bring what you got and and hope you brought enough.