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Mikey14
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posted November 01, 2003 12:10 PM
We've got a new exchange rule at our local track, what do you all think of this? We don't have to use one specific carb so its a crap shoot as to what you'll get. Not to mention distributors.

Anyone's track have a better example of how to handle this?

Exchange rule:
In the Factory Stock and Grand National classes there will be a carburetor exchange. The Factory Stock class will also have a distributor exchange. The track can invoke this rule at any time. When the track invokes the exchange rule the Top 10 finishing cars shall go to tech, the car numbers finishing in the Top 10 will be placed in a hat, and the highest in finishing order will draw those numbers of whom he/she will exchange carburetors/distributors. The items to be exchanged will be brought to the tech table and labeled before the draw. If a driver pulls his or her own car number he or she will redraw until they have another driverís number. Cars making exchange must run the exchanged items the following week.


teamstertom
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posted November 01, 2003 12:41 PM
What brought this rule change to the table? Something,somewhere,at sometime made somebody think this rule up. I find it interesting.....what are they looking for....may I ask?


M1
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posted November 01, 2003 12:42 PM
If your getting top 10 finishing parts, in exchange for your own top 10 finishing parts, its not too bad. Trying to keep the feilds fair, and even, and trying to discourage excessive spending, and/or cheeting is hard to do. Alot of track should look into more teching, and these kind of exchange rules.

I actually brought up some rule idea's like this for the track I race at. FOR the classs I race in. Not as if I am some back of the pack smasher, I have have ONE finish out of the top three this year. I just get sickened by the guys with tons of MOOLA into there cars, when I have next to nothing into mine, and Im keeping up.

Mikey14
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posted November 01, 2003 05:31 PM
I'm not sure why they did this but I think it was a combo of things. Traction control worries, who knows what else. The issue I have is what if I draw a ford distributor or a 4 barrel carb when I'm running a chevy with a 2 barrel intake. I'm supposed to run that part the next week and without swapping out intakes I couldn't run that carb. And that ford distributor just ain't gonna work on my 355. PLUS as written so far we are not allowed to run holley 4412's this year so I've got to buy a quadrajet and put in the jet/needle kit so I can adjust it and make it worthy of running. Say I do this and lose it in a swap for a POS carb that doesn't fit my intake or adapter and have to redo that one too.

If we all ran 4412's I'd be more receptive to this for carbs. Distributors is different though, Not every one in chevy's runs the HEI stuff even though they should PLUS the ford/chevy/dodge mismatching isn't possible.

This was a big change versus last years rules and is creating a pretty nasty reaction.



Mikey14
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posted November 01, 2003 05:36 PM
One more thing to add, they invert the field based on the last weeks points. 12 through 1st. What this does is puts a mid pack finisher on the pole as long as he makes the A the next week. so a top 10 part doesn't really mean much, I mean we went over half way through the year with only one repeat winner.


rico 08
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posted November 01, 2003 05:37 PM
I don't see any major deal with it except it's a pain in the @ss to change the stuff out all the time,and there will probably be alot of junk going around rest assured.Do they let you keep the jets?If not you will have to buy a bunch of the type you run 'cause everyone uses a little different combo on jets,and carbs sometimes seem to take a little different jets from carb to carb to be right.


Mikey14
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posted November 01, 2003 09:20 PM
Rico,

Do you use a quadrajet? To get them to work right you've got to put a needle/jet kit in them thats worth more than the carb. Do that a few times on a swap and it becomes a major deal.

I guarntee I have to give up my HEI that I've worked on to hit just right for a points type straight from the junkyard distributor and I'm gonna have issues.

Its not like 10th place is getting $250 bucks or something, this is the lowest class that runs out there and they pay out that way on most nights.

Think about this too, you've got a chevy delco HEI distributor. Your number is drawn and you get a ford distributor. As the rule is written you are supposed to run that distributor the next night you race. My point is it can't be done. Not a lot of thought went into this in my opinion.

dirt poor racing
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posted November 04, 2003 10:10 AM
what if you are running a ford and get a chevy part? or two barrel and get a four?


dode
Member
posted November 04, 2003 03:49 PM
Basically you draw number is how it works, and if you have a Ford and draw a Chevy part, you redraw. Its pretty simple. It also isn't something that will be done every week or anything. I would bet it doesn't happen more than twice during the season, but I could be wrong. Plus, racing out there you are gonna have to be one heck of a driver to finish in the top 10 with junk. Granted, you might not get a distributor full of MSD parts, but you can bet you will get a good working distributor. As far as the 2 barrel vs 4 barrel thing, I would be willing to bet there aren't going to be a lot of 2 barrels (rochesters) in the top 10, and if they are you can bet they have had a bunch of work done to them.

Basically all they are doing is allowing you a little wiggle room in the parts you use, but you have to be willing to lose them.

John

rico 08
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posted November 04, 2003 04:28 PM
Mikey,i was assuming they we're talking 'bout a holley,that's kinda my default carb when i'm bench racing,yes that does add extra cost,as far as the ford stuff example goes why not try something different?The mod guys used to do this years ago,they would run anything they could buy good parts for to avoid a claim,dodge,buick etc.that would really shake things up!I'm going to run a q-jet this year(thanks jojo)and see how it goes,i'm shooting for the pure stock races as well as the enduro races(big money)and the rules say NO holley carbs of any type.


Mikey14
Member
posted November 05, 2003 11:27 AM
Rico,

Thought about that. Can't change this year but a ford or dodge might be in my future.

Kent
Member
posted November 14, 2003 09:58 PM
Hey Mikey14 - This is Bigboy from your track and I talked to JD and I really cannot get a straight answer on the exact reason for the implementation other than it is an attempt to keep the cost down. I told JD that I would be pretty upset if I lost my carb or distributor and got someone elses who didn't do their homework on tuning and they finished in the top 10 based on extreme luck or attrition. I spent 3 months working on my 4412 - I did my homework and read alot of books and did alot of experimentation and finally got it right and lost the ability to use it next year because someone ( We know who ) changed carbs for different track conditions! I say power to them! Maybe the rest of us should have been smart enough to do the same thing! We will just have to see what the next season will be like! All I know is I am building a new #23 and am looking forward to racing next season!


racer17j
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posted November 14, 2003 11:32 PM
i say run an un touched 4412 or 500 cfm carb for your engine make and just put a $50 claim on the carb or option of exchange. distributer as long as they make it so you have to run a stock appearing coil and mod that should not be an issue i think i'd find somewhere else to race if they pulled that crap around here


Mikey14
Member
posted November 22, 2003 01:25 PM
Bigboy,

I hear ya, I've got to get a decent Q-jet and put my nice 4412 on the shelf also. Not sure why the rest of the known world gets by with a 4412 rule and we can't. I'd like to see it be the default carb for FS but hey that would be too logical.

Good luck bud and see ya out there.

left turn
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posted November 22, 2003 11:24 PM
left turn,

you could be right. Last year though they had the 4412 available and car count was the best in the area. 97 registered usually +50 in the field it was great. I think alot of people who ran 4412's at other tracks found their way to this track whenever they could. Now to get those racers they'll have to switch carbs out too.

***** for everyone I think.

fastow
Member
posted December 01, 2003 10:50 PM
I haveta agree with the others that think this was a kneejerk reaction to something. Keep cost down? For who? The guy that uses a 20 year old carb and dist. that gets lucky and gets a 10th? I don't have endless funds, but one of my cars has a brand new Mallory HEI (about $180) and a used Holley 3310 (about $150 total). The other has a $150 Proform HEI and a brand new 3310 (about $250-$300 total).

So.. .let's figure this out. Each car has $300-$400 worth of carb and dist. I can a.) load it and go home with no check or b.) risk getting 20 year old parts that 'work' but aren't nearly as good or reliable as my stuff and go home with a say $100 check. F them!!! I'd load it and leave.

I think a better way to keep cost down is make a 358 CID rule and pump the motors a couple times a year. At our track, they have a 'spec' option for the pure stocks that lets you run a max 358 with an Edlebrock Performer, Holley 3310 and 1 5/8" headers. If you run a 400 (383's and strokers are illegal) you have to run factory cast manifolds and stock carb. It's a 2 min. check to see if the headers, carb, intake and damper are legal. 383's and 406's are dead give away's with the balancer weight. If you wanna spend all the money to internally balance a 383 for $200-$250 to win, knock yerself out. The spec motors pretty much stomp the 400's. Just the manifolds vs headers evens the field and even slightly tips it for the 350s that can wind up quicker.

fastow
Member
posted December 02, 2003 06:57 PM
Ya, I think you do have to pull a VC. But that doesn't cost any money to do. Or a $5 VC gasket at worst. Not that I'd know. In 3 years I think they've checked like 5 cars total. They basically go on the carb, manifolds and header check for the specs and balancer & block check for the 383/400 check. Much easier and less aggravating than the claim rule(s).


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