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jmfosnaught
Member
posted October 16, 2003 10:42 AM
How are guys cheating at your local tracks. Out our way, we have one guys using traction control. Also, some guys have been running dual master cylinders to acheive brake bias and using camaro lower a arms.


66jj
Member
posted October 16, 2003 11:08 AM
camaro lower a arms on what?? do tell??


Speedway65
Member
posted October 16, 2003 12:00 PM
I think our top guy uses traction control.Probably a whole bunch more stuff on his car .but it is hard to prove.


jmfosnaught
Member
posted October 16, 2003 12:08 PM
camaro lowers om a metric car, several guys got caught using them and had to go back to the metric lowers. i'm not exactly sure what they do but from what i understand they are longer than metric lowers.


* i think late 70's to early 80's

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ZachmanJ
Member
posted October 16, 2003 12:37 PM
At our track, the pure stocks and street stocks have gotten out of control. The tech people, just look ove the cars, and when the finally do "thech" them, its at the end of the year. For example, this year they pumped the top 5 in the feature (4 of which were in the top 6 in points, including 1st, 2nd, and 4th) and all were over the 150# limit. So what do they do? All of the violators were DQed, but the track changed the rule the next week to 160# and the gave everyone back their points and their pay. I am sick of all the cheating going unnoticed. I mean come on, we all cheat, but the track has to stop it at some point or there will be no point to race because whoever spends the most $ will come out on top. There, im glad I got that off my chest. Well maybe it will change next year.


hobby9
Member
posted October 16, 2003 12:54 PM
Its only cheating once you get caught.Otherwise it is creative interpretation of the rules.Sometimes you read between the lines!


OppendikeRacing29
Member
posted October 16, 2003 02:39 PM
if you aint cheatin, you aint tryin


rico 08
Member
posted October 16, 2003 02:59 PM
I don't think the camaro lowers are worth it,i watched a car with them and he fouled the geometry up really bad,the car was fast thru the center of the corner but it had terrible bump steer,one small bump and he moved up a lane or two,which also points to other geometry problems.Widen the car with offset wheels or wheel spacers to keep the numbers right.IMHO


dirt poor racing
Member
posted October 17, 2003 11:42 AM
new to the track, but was told of you RUN LEGAL AND YOU RUN LAST.


wag3
Member
posted October 17, 2003 06:13 PM
My theory on the subject is if you have to cheat
you should spend more time working on your car.You can win races and be legal.


wag3
Member
posted October 17, 2003 06:19 PM
My theory on the subject is if you have to cheat you need to spend more time working on your car.
You can win races and be legal.


ryan
Member
posted October 17, 2003 08:23 PM
Sure we had a guy a couple years ago he was pretty fast and legal(so he says) he won a race or two but couldn't quite grab that championship make you wonder WHAT IF I would have fudged the rules just a little bit. hmmm
I think he was number 3. Just kidding lol
This car might reach into a gray area in one or two spots but nothing like some of the other guys that are running. I'm too poor to cheat!


ryan
Member
posted October 17, 2003 08:25 PM
Oh yeah they are talking about you on dirtdrivers


wag3
Member
posted October 17, 2003 10:20 PM
Dont need to cheat takes all the fun out of it when you pass people that you know have more money or more car


M1
Member
posted October 18, 2003 10:57 AM
I am not sure how people are cheeting at our track BUT....

One guy was torn down, on the last night of the year, and kicked out (was leading the points) for having his crank ground .010. WOW, I bet he was fast because of that!

But there are some car out there that are "LEGAL" who have alot more power then me, and I can't figure out why. I still out drive them alot of the time though. And my car really is legal.

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rico 08
Member
posted October 18, 2003 01:18 PM
He was dq'd for having a reground crank?Man i'd race somewhere else,how do they expect you to run?


M1
Member
posted October 18, 2003 11:30 PM
thats what I said too. I have been arguing with the race track all summer about the rule. It states "NO GRINDING OF ANY CASTING" That includes the crank. Its a moronic rule, and they say that if they allow us to grind cranks, it would drive up cost. They basically want us to run virgin engines. How many 305's have you ever seen in a junk yard that are actually worth more then being a boat anchor. Its TOTALLY rediculous. I have a huge write up about it on my web pagfe, and once the web page is fixed (its been down for two weeks due to hackers) Ill post a URL here. It explains it all, and I would love to get some opinions about it. ANd this seems to be a good place to get opinions, and knowledge.



bryanb30
Member
posted October 20, 2003 06:23 PM
at our track all but two of us run chevy and there are a lot of IFS in the book about fords..


oluck96
Member
posted October 26, 2003 02:54 AM
We used to ofset grind our rod journels to gain stroke.(Legal for us)Dont Belive in cheating. The question is if it dosent say you cant do something, what then.


pushmyfactorystock
Member
posted October 27, 2003 12:39 PM
the points leader at our track was DQ'ed this weekend after a protest and teardown. he lost all his points on the year and his money for the night. to bad cuz it was the last race too.

he had 305 heads on a 350. our rules do not allow this. the chambers were probably less cc's than camel humps. this opens up another rule, with this kind of compression there is no way he is running pump gas. which our rules require.

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