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oba51
Member
posted June 18, 2003 04:48 PM
Dear OBA51.

The folks with the scales wont believe ya but I will because I set my cars up by a jack and socket and it eats the scale boys lunch.

They keep their cars on the scales and when they are took off and loaded on the trailer it is far from the same.lol

I saved my money and put it where common sense is and it isnt in scales.

Steve.

racer17j
Member
posted June 18, 2003 08:29 PM
is it getting loose when your in the gas or not? if it is when your in the gas thats an ez fix less right foot weight


outlawstock17
Member
posted June 18, 2003 09:39 PM
steve, scales are far more precise than the old socket on the floorjack method. if you ever decide to step up to the next level, you'll need a good set of scales in your arsenal of tuning tools to do it successfully. with scales, you can record changes and note what works under a particular track condition. you can turn the front wheels in each direction to see what effect it has on the corner weights and check what different offset wheels do as well. the possibilities are endless. with a socket and floorjack, it's guesswork at best.


rocket36
Member
posted June 19, 2003 01:56 AM
have to agree with outlawstock17, they cost a lot of money, but I would have to say that they are the best thing that I have ever "wasted" my money on. they take a while to get used to and understand but boy does it make life easy.


cmiller51
Member
posted June 19, 2003 06:31 AM
You can make serveral minor changes at the track to tighten your car. Air Pressure, different offset wheels, change springs, etc.


75xracer
Member
posted June 19, 2003 10:35 AM
I would add wedge like 75xracer stated. It will tighten you up coming off the corner but it may loosen you up a little going in. Try it in small increments and see if it improves.

justin

zoomy#74
Member
posted June 19, 2003 11:02 PM
By no means am I discounting the usefulness of scales, but a lot of people get hung up in scale numbers the don't look at the other aspects of car set-up. As has been posted several times you can adjust a lot of things (i.e. ride height, off-sets, spring rates, etc.) that can have affect on scale readings. What my point is that you can have a car that "scales right" and won't run well, if you don't take into account you hole package. Like I said, scale readings ARE useful as long as you look at the entire package.


jammin
Administrator
posted June 20, 2003 09:33 AM
One thing to remember...if the weights in the car aren't correct (and it is very hard to nail them every time) then the rest of the setup is null and void, because your balance in the car is affected and the rest of the setup generally won't compliment the setup you do have. I feel weights are about 50 percent of a setup.....geometry would be about 25%, Shocks 10% and springs 15%. My 2 cents. But, remember, geometry is a weight oriented variable(dynamic). Springs are a transfer weight variable(dynamic). Shocks are a timing variable(dynamic) that provide timing for weight distribution for springs(dynamic). It all revolves around balance and weight. Everything you do on a car as far as chassis setup, somehow manipulates and affects weight in the car, either dynamically, or statically.

jammin



stevenwm
Member
posted June 20, 2003 12:42 PM
Since I dont have scales at my hand I have friends that do and when I set my cars up they kindly bring them over and when my cars are scaled it blows their minds at how close I am.

I do believe that if one can afford them go for it.But my experience in setting up cars for the last 10 years has proven that you can with the knowledge set up a car that is so close that it is mind blowing.

Steve.

oba51
Member
posted June 20, 2003 03:13 PM
I dont know what kind of tiresyou run but if it is possible to take a little stagger out of it without putting a whole lotta wedge in it I think it would help also, or it does for us. If running street tire then sometimes you can get the same size tire just another brand and have 1" roll-out diff. I dont gaurentee this but it works for us. 1 more thing i can put about 2-3% of wedge in our car just with air pressure. Hope this helps.


glen73
Member
posted June 22, 2003 11:00 AM
I run a factory,much like a street stock on a 76 cutlass frame.I added more cross wight in my car this week,went from 48% to 50%.I was really fast in heat races,fast in features when it was dry,but not were I wanted to be.I added some cross wight and got it better in the feature without giving up alot in the heats.Im running for a championship,and ya gotta be good all nite,on all types of track conditions,not just 1 type of track condition.


tim gaeber
Member
posted July 14, 2003 11:47 AM
Ya need scales cause u can make more changes with them. The tracks scales arent always right and they dont give %


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