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Author Topic:   camaro or metric?
AC156
Member
posted June 11, 2003 12:10 PM
This is just my opinion...And I have ran both...The camaro seems to have a little better rear % without adding lead.. and they seem to have a little more forward bite. The metric cars you need to have a little different driving style they are a little harder to get tuned in exactly but they have better body roll and side bite and are very easy to change rear springs on even at the track and the faster cars usually change rear springs according to track conditions.Seems to be what ever works at your track and Ive been to batesville several times and have buddies that still race there from time to time and always make the big races...Im sure with enough effort and homework a metric car can be competetive there....Towman


AC156
Member
posted June 11, 2003 03:37 PM
The camaro seems to not need the rear percentage and the lead to get it as much as the metric,the camaro has been run enuf that there is alot of info on how to set them up but the metric's have been run enuf now that people are figuring them out and they can be faster in my opinion.I've got a camaro but i think i'd rather have a metric.


Eljojo
Member
posted June 11, 2003 08:31 PM
I love my Camaro! BUT I have driven well-setup metrics and they work very well too. My biggest fear about my Camaro is the rear unibody getting bent. I smoked a Nova with fast trip backwards into a concrete wall. I believe my next ride will be another Nova...just because so many tracks won't allow me to pure stock my Camaro.


Extreme Race Cars
Member
posted June 12, 2003 10:54 AM
If your rules allow you to put the nova lowers on the metric it is definatly the way to go. Both kinds of cars ran at the $7500 show at brownstown,IL and they were fairly equal with the metric cars with a pull bar having to weigh 3100 while the camaros with leafs got a 300lb break. Take 300lbs off the metric cars and it would have been no contest.


NYhick
Member
posted June 16, 2003 08:35 AM
I run a camaro on a 1/2 mile dry slick track. My front clip is bent, my leaf springs are so whooped the rear spring eyes are up against the frame, and I am still running the same tires I bought used half way through last season. I have the biggest piece of crap out there because thats all I can afford. Guess what, I actually won a feature with this car. I feel camaros even set up badly are still good. 3 of the top 5 in points in my divison are camaros, me being 4th. Camaros are fool proof, save time and run one.....


CLBaker25
Member
posted June 18, 2003 03:47 AM
This is just my opinion and Ive raced and won with both cars.....There is a lot to learn about any particular chassis and what has dominated in your erea is from what people have learned we all have our little tricks we share with other people and then some of us have our little tricks we dont share 1 guy can spend weeks even months building a chassis and taking the time do do every little thing you can think of to make it faster.....In my own opinion I like both cars they each have there own benefits and draw backs it just depends on what a driver wants to feel out of his car.....Towman


DMS CEO
Member
posted June 19, 2003 11:45 AM
Aaron, we got Randy Weaver and Patrick Linn in the big show at Batesville last year and until it rubbered down I was in. You just have to keep four link cars soft and neutral up there. Randy did well and Patick ran out of tire in the feature. You just have to throw what you know about a camaro away when you go to metric cars. It is like comparing apples and oranges. I can give you a base setup if you would like. Let me know.


Extreme Race Cars
Member
posted June 19, 2003 06:46 PM
Baker,
I doubt they would get killed. The bombers that run at Brownstown,IL are basicly camaros and metric cars, some early 70s chevelles. I'd have to say the are probably fairly even. You are right that the pull bars make a big differance but is it worth 300lbs? Most street stock/ sportsman cars around here are required to have a full frame. The rules vary so much you would have to make the choice from track to track. I do remember a few years ago everybody told me ya had to have a camaro to compete then some guy brought out a full frame stock suspension Regal and took em to school. Go figure


tim gaeber
Member
posted July 14, 2003 11:51 AM
Camaro all the way. On a dry track u can make a metric handle but on wet or slick an F body will eat your lunch. Go with a second generation F body theyre the easiest 2 set up and they r fast.


JDF Motorsports
Member
posted July 14, 2003 06:03 PM
if you can gut everything out with exception of the firewall and floorpan, which car will be lighter. my nova weighs 2850 with no lead and no driver, im 260. i was just wondering ifa metric was lighter. i run a pontiac 350 in the nova but was thinking about building a metric. would i not be able to get good enough rear percentage in the metric.


yenko
Member
posted July 15, 2003 04:34 PM
OK whats a pull bar ???


hollywoods62
Member
posted July 16, 2003 02:49 AM
A metric monte is a lot lighter once gutted then you add waight to the rear, mine has limeted gutting ,every thing has to be there except front iners and with no waight its 2920# and thay drive good , just have to change to the feel.

NASCAR uses it!

Hollywoods62

cmiller51
Member
posted July 16, 2003 09:11 AM
Each type of car has its own good qualities. Racers have been using camaros longer than the metrics simply because they were available first. Camaros are just plain good on dirt.

Face it, all classes and cars are becoming faster and better. Metric cars are good. Camaros are good.

But if I were a betting man, I'd bet on the camaro every time at Batesville. Some of the best street stock racing in the country.

stormy
Member
posted July 18, 2003 05:58 PM
i'm curious what a pullbar is also


tilley88
Member
posted July 18, 2003 09:07 PM
It's what you pull the car to the track with.


towmandan
Member
posted July 19, 2003 09:13 AM
Tilley thats bad..........Towman


6pack
Member
posted July 19, 2003 12:53 PM
Could'nt help myself....


Big Bear
Member
posted July 19, 2003 08:18 PM
Tilley are you from Missouri or something?

Big Bear


tilley88
Member
posted July 19, 2003 10:41 PM
Easy, Yogi.......


Big Bear
Member
posted July 19, 2003 11:18 PM
Just funnin
no offense meant
Big Bear


tilley88
Member
posted July 20, 2003 12:25 AM
Me too!


3dracer
Member
posted July 22, 2003 11:51 AM
camaro........


towmandan
Member
posted July 22, 2003 09:46 PM
I dont know what rules you are running under but I would take a pull bar over stock 4 link any day if you can run adjustable bars and brackets where you can change angles you might be able to make it work for you...just my opinion...Towman


vosevichs
Member
posted August 06, 2003 08:55 AM
I like our metric frame, We can a run pull bar and j-bar. But have to use stock lower trailing arms. And we can run tubular upper control arms also. So we can do all sorts of tuning to ours.

Extreme racer, Do they run modified tires on the sportsman at Brownstown?

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kip77
Member
posted August 07, 2003 09:28 PM
Boy, it must be nice to run that stuff. Our class isn't allowed to change the mounting points at all. And if you run a metric, it can not use a pull bar or anything. We are bascialy a pure stock with big motors and late model tires. I am pushing for some updated rules for next year. It isn't looking good so far!

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3dracer
Member
posted August 08, 2003 11:58 PM
If ya gotta run stock placement rules go Camaro. Stock coils suck on dry slick. Imca boys might disagree, but they alter their upper mounts and they DON'T race against Camaro's.


kip77
Member
posted August 14, 2003 09:43 PM
I run a metric frame and the drier the track the faster my car is. The car is alot faster taht other at the end of the feature.

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