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Author Topic:   82 Cutlass/Monte Springs
Steve09
Member
posted April 13, 2003 04:24 AM
Hi fellow racers, I have a 82 G body /Metric chassis car. I'm going to replace my stock springs with 900/1100 250/200 and I was wondering what length to order? I know they make 11" and 12" stock looking springs but wanted to know the pros and cons of using these springs. You can write here or @ Doitagain462@aol.com
Thanks,
Steve


racinrich1
Member
posted April 13, 2003 06:17 AM
Metrics call for a 11 inch front spring...
The rear springs sold by Landrum and Tru coil might make your rear ridehight a little high..
Rich


Steve09
Member
posted April 13, 2003 12:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by racinrich1:
Metrics call for a 11 inch front spring...
The rear springs sold by Landrum and Tru coil might make your rear ridehight a little high..
Rich

So what's the answer for getting the rear ride height correct? Also... I have read that if you use 11" front springs that when you lift the car by the frame the front springs will become loose and try to fall out??? Is that true?


gould
Member
posted April 13, 2003 08:44 PM
my front springs are 10 1/2" thet wont fall out. i got 11" in the rear, they will fall out. i made some sleeves to go inside the springs. i welded it in up top. works great.


longracing25
Member
posted April 13, 2003 10:38 PM
It's not the fronts that fall out...the "shorter" Afco 11" pigtails COULD fall out when lifted, doesn't mean they always will.The stock replacement Afcos for the front are 12", i believe...they work great.I put 11" Afcos under the rear of my metric...and decided i didn't like them BEFORE i even lowered the car...there was about a 2"-3" gap between the top of the spring and the perch. I thought...hmmm...get a flat, pull in ,change as quick as possible,not paying attention..lower the the car...pull out on the track...BOOM..THE SPRING FALLS OUT BECAUSE IT WASN'T SEATED RIGHT.OUCH!! The TRU-COIL pigtails have pigtails on both ends..and are TALLER...but 14" might be kinda high for some. I just found the company called "suspension spring specialists"( Day motorsports carries them) for $44.95...they are pigtails that come in 11" or 12" tall...i'm gonna buy the 12"...they are at least 1" taller than those AFCOs. They have a pigtail on the bottom, and are ground flat on the top.


crew42
Member
posted April 14, 2003 01:23 AM
There are a couple of other things you can do that will help. change to aftermarket spring perches on the axle housing so you dont need the pigtails on that end and you can put the pigtails to the top. Another thing you can do that will help with or without the aftermarket perches is to lower you bottom shock mount so that the shock fully extends before the spring falls out. We welded a tab to the stock shock mount that had a hole in it and the new hole was about 1 1/2" lower than the old one. That shouldnt mess with handling at all becouse if your unloading the spring so much that it is loose in the perch then you have a bad problem somewhere else.

good luck

odb93
Member
posted April 14, 2003 01:35 PM
The rear springs that Day Motor Sports sells,made by Suspension Spring Specialists are pigtail on one end...I run a 76 monte and must run double Pigtail springs..I have Tru coils on one car and Landrum on the other car..Both have 8 inch rear ride hight..
With 12 inch front springs I have 6 1/4 ride hight up front...I am considering looking in a Moog book to see if I can find ratings on metric rear springs to bring me down 1 inch...
Rich


crew42
Member
posted April 14, 2003 10:31 PM
if you replace the lower spring perches then you can use the other lengths of springs, the ones with only one pigtail.

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2002 H.O.T. Street Stock Champion
M&R Racing


Steve09
Member
posted April 15, 2003 02:20 AM
quote:
Originally posted by crew42:
if you replace the lower spring perches then you can use the other lengths of springs, the ones with only one pigtail.


The only problem is at my track I have to run a stock appearing spring! Can I run a 11" spring in the back and a shorter shock so when I jack up the car the spring won't come loose?



crew42
Member
posted April 15, 2003 11:19 AM
Like I said before if you cant get a shorter shock then you can lower your bottom shock mount by welding a piece of flat metal over the old hole and let it hang down about two inches or more if you need it and drill a new hole for the shock stud to go in. We used to put a piece of chain down the center of the spring to keep the housing from going too far but the shock mout is alot easier if you have to make a spring change. Also the shock is what kept the stock spring in place so it only makes sence.

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2002 H.O.T. Street Stock Champion
M&R Racing


dirtrace54
Member
posted April 15, 2003 01:13 PM
Spring specialist make a 14 inch rear pigtail....this could be used without spacers....this is what i used last year.


o5racer
Member
posted April 16, 2003 07:01 PM
On my old car I used to have a piece of small chain that ran from the frame to the axle next to the spring. I had it set so that when it was lifted by the frame and the chain was tight, the spring had about 1/2 inch of free play. Just enough to hold it in but loose enough that I wasnt binding anything. The strange thing is that at my track very few guys do that. I guess they just prefer rolling the jack WAY under and having to lift by the axle. Go figure.


Hutch5375
Member
posted April 16, 2003 07:31 PM
I got tehe Tru-Coil spring in the front and it made the front sit higher. It is a bad thing to cut the spring height down?


longracing25
Member
posted April 21, 2003 10:28 PM
with only one pigtail...and being kinda short...someone once told me to weld a bolt"pointing up" in the center of the bottom perch, use a piece of "flat stock" with a hole drilled in the center, lay it across the bottom coil..and bolt the spring down to the rearend. This will keep the spring in place...so it won't fall out. Sounds like a keeper to me!


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