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Author Topic:   arm restraints or window net
posted March 26, 2003 08:42 PM
I have allways used a window net, never tryed the restraints anyone use them ? Whats the pro`s and con`s? what do they hook to ? thanks

posted March 27, 2003 02:55 AM
i've seen plenty of guys with broken hands that only ran arm restraints i'm a net man myself you won't see an arm restarint stop a fling tire either

posted March 27, 2003 06:00 AM
my boss uses both. gould

posted March 27, 2003 09:15 PM
Arm restraints.
Roll your car over and land on the pass side down and while the car rolls, your car streches the window net guitar string tight and now your unconsious, safety personel cant figure out window net and cant even get your belts off, they have to cut your window net off just to get to you, all while your car is burning. seconds even minutes elapses.
Same scenario, with arm restraints, safety people get to you release your belts, which are all made the same unlike nets, and you are out, with maybe a broken arm like you say might happen. I have rolled with a net and with arm restraints and the net tightened and I had to squeeze out the pass side, and when I rolled with arm restarints I just undid my belts and was out before the safety people were there this time. I have never heard of a tire going through the net either, should I reinforce my house roof in case of a shuttle piece landing on it. Just my.02

posted March 27, 2003 09:23 PM
cageman what do you mount the net too the body or the cage ? do you mount it so it has some slack in it also ? i have never seen a car roll and bend the cage so bad that you can't get the window net undone. and if the safty crew doesn't know how to get a window net undone maybe you should talk to your promoter and get them training or they don't work at the track. i'm not sure about you but if they aren't smart enought to unbuckle an old seat belt buckle then i don't want then tring to get me out of a car with a possible neck injury

posted March 28, 2003 09:14 AM
My roof bent around the net and tightened it, and everyone does there window net different, unlike seatbelts, which is pretty standard, I have talked to people who burned, Ill take a broken arm any day, which hasnt happened to anyone I know.

posted March 28, 2003 10:48 AM
I agree with 93 thats the same set up i have, arm restraints are for open wheel cars my opinion. Eddie

posted March 28, 2003 04:02 PM
I think you guys that don't run window nets, and there's more that don't than do, are crazy.

Not only does a window net keep your arms inside, it also keeps your head from hitting the concrete if you hit the driver side against the wall. Its not too terribly likely, but I would sure like to have a net if it did happen. This how John Nemecheck died a few years ago.

I use late-model type shock mounts and seat belt latches welded to the cage and it works pretty well. Any argument against using a window net is shaky, at best, IMO. I will take protection in a rollover in exchange for the chance that I might possibly be on my passenger side, on fire and the emergency poeple can't figure out how to use a window net or don't have a knife.

Arm restraints cant hurt either.

posted April 01, 2003 10:49 PM
Like odb, we use seat beat latches to attach ours to and we attach to the cage bc incase of a wreck, the cage is gonna be the most sturdy thing.
I for one feel way too restricted with my arms feeling like they are tied to something on I can't move.

"Blood, Sweat, and Gears"

posted April 05, 2003 01:00 AM
if your head is hitting the concrete in a roll, why dont you look at the real cause of the problem there, do you not where seatbelts or something for that to happen, so a piece of net is going to soften the impact also, the net is right next to the ground when you are on your side.
If you feel you need to touch the pass side door, and rest your arm on roll cage somewhere, then I guess your right, arm restaraints when properly used will prevent that.
Ive been in both situations and and I am not arguing, just stating facts of what might happen and has happened, and in a wreck usually the unexpected happens, so who really knows the definate answer of what is right or wrong, it is up to you to decide what is safe.

posted April 05, 2003 08:00 PM
i have used the following system for 3 or 4 years now. I became familiar with head nets when we had a sprint car. Sprinters used them on the right side only.

Now we use 2 head nets, one on either side of the helmet. They are fastened to the cage behind the driver as close together as possible. At the front they are fastened to the cage about 24 " apart. This keeps your head located sideways while still allowing a lot of intentional movement. After the belts are released the driver can duck out without removing the head nets.
A year or so ago I saw this setup on a winston cup car.

To go with this I strongly recommend the use of arm restraints. Arm restraints are to be worn just below the elbow and adjusted so the drivers hand can not reach out of the car with all the belts fastened.

When I next get to race (hopefully later this season) I will also have A G-Force helmet with the strap and bar that goes under the shoulder belts.

Remember all of this is not perfect but we keep working at it. SLEEPY

posted April 05, 2003 09:17 PM
the net sleepy is talking about is sold for sprint cars, and he must not watch too many cup races, as jeff burton started using them about 5 years ago and many many others have been since...

look at any w/c race and youll see them they look like a triangle attatched in the rear behind the seat at the big end and one strap that is attatched with a buckle on the halo bar in front of the driver..


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