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Wauge28
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posted November 15, 2002 08:06 PM
Heard today that UMP added quick change rearends to the rules. Also, I always heard that tracks had the option of allowing or dis-allowing aluminum heads. I heard it was a West Coast option. Aparently, no longer a promoters option, aluminum heads are allowed throughout UMP land. Anyone know for sure?


old racer
Member
posted November 15, 2002 08:31 PM
LOL...not a word, not a word. Those are already late models anyway.

jammin

tilley88
Member
posted November 16, 2002 12:39 AM
Ditto!


old racer
Member
posted November 16, 2002 09:11 AM
I just heard from a local car owner that called UMP yesterday and confirmed all the above. I haven't seen it writen yet but a phone call confirmed.

Warning! Don't go get a quick change yet. I would hate to get hate mail

BTW, anyone know of any used quick change rearends for sale???

Wauge28
Member
posted November 16, 2002 03:53 PM
Brownstone, Are you from Washington state by chance?


modi25
Member
posted November 16, 2002 08:23 PM
are quick changes a bad thing, i think they will be cheaper in the long run.


Wauge28
Member
posted November 16, 2002 09:50 PM
So are the Berts/Brinns IF...you are building a car from the ground up. When you already have a 9 inch and 2 or 3 sets of gears, it is just a money thing. Some will argue that quick change is not a performance add but it sure makes quick gear changes possible 15 minutes before the main. Now, that is an advantage. Berts and Brinns are great and they make sense because I am sure they are more economical in the long run. BUT, again, it cost racers who already have a complete set-up. I know, tough. But if keeping cost down is the idea here, this is a big expense keeping up with the Jones's.


jklostermann
Member
posted November 17, 2002 10:45 AM
Yes we can run alum. heads, always could. As far as the the quick change goes i'm not sure about that, it would be nice if we could! It would save us a heck of a lot of money in gear sets ($475.00 ford nine inch gears or $50.00 a set for QC) And for all those who don't already know there is a lot a difference between a latemodel and the modiifed. I would hope you all could figure that out.


Wauge28
Member
posted November 17, 2002 12:13 PM
Not true on the heads. West Coast has not allowed them...apparently until now. As far as gears, 399.00 and last but not least, so far the ONLY difference is late model has big tires and mods get the motor set back. HHmmmm. How long til the tires grow and we are faster???


Dustejr73
Member
posted November 17, 2002 06:06 PM
Dave, thats a whole different story. The word is that even though he announced at the banquet that he signed the UMP deal, UMP says John hasn't conformed yet and no deal so far. I think he might have opened up a bit too soon.


dirtracer14
Member
posted November 17, 2002 08:45 PM
Hey guys keep posting what you find out....im just a fly on the wall wanting to hear what they come up with I am just hoping that imca goes bert and brinn and that are track will allow em.


Pickles
Member
posted November 17, 2002 09:53 PM
Whenever there are rules changes, I think they should announce them 2 years in advance so that people could get ready for the change and get some use out of parts that they may have just purchased.


ford5
Member
posted November 18, 2002 07:10 AM
i just thought i would add this,a QC rear end will rob some HP as compared to a 9in Ford, so be careful as you might slow yourself down, also a 9in FORD rear will rob you of horsepower as compared to a 12 bolt GM style. it is because of the pinion location.......ford5


jklostermann
Member
posted November 18, 2002 11:11 AM
wauge28,

I'm not too sure what kind of LM's they run where your from but down here in So. Ill., Ind., and Ky. they are pretty close to sprint motors minus the fuel injection. The motors are all alum., dry sump motors. No cu. in. resriction! Take a look at any UMP LM next time your see one. However there is also a steel block class that some tracks run but that is more of a track rule. I'm all for the QC rule! By the way if it is true I may have some gears and a 9 in ford for sale.

STICK01
Member
posted November 18, 2002 12:41 PM
You may also want to check to see if your chassis can fit a QC in it. I do not think that my 2002 DW-8 has the room underneath for it. The bracing for the rear clip is only about 5" from the back of the 9" pumpkin now...

JMO

Wauge28
Member
posted November 18, 2002 08:25 PM
jklostermann, We have the same type of LM around here. As a matter of fact In Lebonnon Oregon, they pretty much have a weight rule and that is it. At the end of the season, we have an open comp show and one of our modifieds put on big tires and side boards and he ran with the LM's all night. I think the engine set back made up for the difference in ponies.

I know there is an obvious difference...BUT...Compare an IMCA modifed 10 years ago to a UMP Mod today. Tell me we are not getting closer and closer...


jklostermann
Member
posted November 18, 2002 09:55 PM
Wauge28,

Why compare a 1992 imca car to a 2002 ump car? Doesn't make much sense to me. Now what i'm saying is not fact by any means it's just my opinion. If the technology is there why not use it? If you what to drive a race car why not use specific racing parts that were designed to do the job, not some factory car part that has been rigged up to work on our race cas. I know ya'll are pulling your hair out right now about what i'm saying but come on; cost effective class, give me a break! If you want to save money and race at the same time go and buy Dirt Track Racing for your computer and then take that $200 a week you spend at the track and buy your self some lotto tickets. You'll probably have a better return on your money! But if you want to race give us a set of rules that allow us better equipment, it maybe more money in the beginning but you gotta look down the road farther then your neighbors mailbox. The one thing i wish UMP would do a better job on is the tire rule. I wish we ran the same tire IMCA does to help cut cost in that area. Anyway thats just my two cents (and by the way inflation is high)

Wauge28
Member
posted November 18, 2002 11:06 PM
I cold be wrong but I thought the idea behind IMCA and the modified class was to create a class that was budget minded, with nation rules and a "drivers" class...not $$$'s. Again, I was under the impression that keeping the costs down was the main theme for mods...until UMP came around. I know you don't know me but I am kind of a hypocrite here. I have a pretty good sized motor, I choose to run D's on occassions and I am quilty or really wanting to put a Brinn in my car.
Racing is a hobby for me and I will continue to race until I can no longer afford it. At this rate, I am sorry to say that is quickly approaching.
On your suggestion to let the class grow with technolgy, I know this sounds repetative but, Late Models have not claimed to be cost effective; nor have sprint cars for that matter. IMCA type racing is pretty popular and UMP is on it's way to ruining it.

Yes, I would gladly step down in ponies, run a saginaw trans, and old reliable 9 inch as long as everyone else was too. I want to be beat by the driver not the pocket book. I bet I would still have fun with the 355 and steel trans......

[This message has been edited by Wauge28 (edited November 18, 2002).]

ford5
Member
posted November 18, 2002 11:42 PM
well said wauge28..........


brownstone
Member
posted November 19, 2002 10:36 AM
I just talked to Bob at UMP and he says he doesnt THINK the QC will be allowed in 2003. The final rules for 2003 are not out yet.