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dirtbuster
Member
posted November 11, 2002 02:59 PM
OK i know this is going to be a sore subject but i would like to get some truthful answers here.

How much do you spend on your mod motors?

There seems to be a lot of debate among drivers at our local track regarding this. Some feel you shouldnt have to spend more than 2000 and claim to run 1500-1800 motors. others think they need to spend upwards of 10,000$ ( which i think is overkill). In my opinion the average mod motor should be anwhere from 3000-5000. sound reasonable??

I just want to see what others around the country think is appropriate to spend in this class. By the way this is a weekly NASCAR track... not talking UMP mods or anything exotic.. just saturday night racing.

Racer X
Member
posted November 11, 2002 03:19 PM
we run imca rules except for the claim
the motor we are running now not sure the $$$$ amount he spent but it was enought that a guy is trading him his car turn key for just that motor and this isn't just some old junk car either it's won the super nats 3 times the guy who has it now has been running the 360 limited class with it. we had it in our old shaw car and could never get it to hook up to much for that old chassis


mod4
Member
posted November 11, 2002 04:04 PM
We run in FL, no claim, no rules really at all except 2500lbs or 2550 with Brinn&Quickchange ... my engine builder will duplicate our motors for $5800 for anyone. Thats intake to oil pan, new parts, aluminum heads.... you just supply your own cam grind cause we don't share THAT 24 features, 21 top 3's, track Championship - and it will be in the car for East Bay 2003 Winternationals

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#28
Member
posted November 12, 2002 10:54 AM
#28

I know what you mean. There are guys at our local track that are spending thousands of dollars on cnc ported heads and upwards of 8000-10000 on complete motors because they think they need it. We've got a little backup 355, $2500 maybe 3000 total that runs right alongside of them. Yet we get thrown into the gossip group of having a big motor because of it. Makes us feel good knowing our car is setup well and not relying on HP.

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joeltjen
Member
posted November 12, 2002 11:25 PM
our long block was $6200. we supplied the block, did some of the prep and our engine builder sponsored us with the labor so that was mostly parts only. throw in carb, intake,headers,and ignition.....well more than i want to add up. the main reason we did this was dependabilty. yah, we got a big horse but it aint gonna blow (read in "crossed fingers") our track runs under a claim rule but its kind of a gentlemans agreement thing. just my opinion but claim rules cost more in the long run. you either blow 'em up or somebody steals them. no, we are not a high dollar team and we dont have a big sponser, we just spent three years worth of engine money in one motor and are now ahead of the game due to longivity. in my opinion crate motors also s_ _k but thats for a whole different thread. john

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madmodshoe
Member
posted November 13, 2002 12:10 AM
That is very much a loaded question db. The motors are different in other areas of the country. A small, inexspensive motor will work in ok,ark,tex. In mid MO with a 6" cushion every night it ain't gonna cut it!
There is no in between a $1000.00 motor and a $10,000.00 motor because of the failure rates. Take the $1000.00 motor and add a Callies crank. After that you might as well add the good rods, pistons, machine work, and heads. Along with all the other upgrades it doesnt take long to get to $10,000.00.
The only difference in price is how long it is going to last!
How many of you that are down south wouldn't kill to race on a track weekly with a 4"-6" cushion? Bring your checkbook on!


dirtbuster
Member
posted November 13, 2002 08:24 AM
I never thought about it that way regarding the areas of the country. We race in southern IA northern MO and i know what you mean about a 1000$ motor aint gonna cut it. If its real tacky you better have a good set of rods or you might as well park it. When its dry you might be fine with stock equipment.

joeltjen
I feel the same way about spending money on them. Our primary motor would prob run close to 5000 if you had to go build it from scratch today but we have run this same motor for 3 seasons now. That averages out to prob 2000 a year even with freshening it between seasons. Sure you might get more little more HP for the money but most of all we're getting the peace of mind that it will hold together and is one less thing we have to worry about. We have the same situation going on at our track with the claim rule and so called gentelmens agreement. I agree that the claim rule ends up costing you more in the long run because you either blow them up or somebody takes them for next to nothing. We used to try to run more stock/low dollar stuff but got tired of breaking parts. We felt we had better things to spend time on than building motors all the time. Just wish more people saw it the same way. Your the kind of racer we like so if you are interested come up to IA sometime I am sure you would like it.

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HONDO
Member
posted November 13, 2002 02:51 PM
About $4500 including fuel and ignition systems. Running gas but hoping to switch as money allows. Off brand engine, lots of cubes low rpm. Fairly rough, wet tracks with tight corners. Kind of two drag strips with corners at the ends. Torque rules here.


Wauge28
Member
posted November 13, 2002 09:27 PM
I race on the west coast and this year our track had MANY 410's, 421's and 434's. When you have a 434 with Pro Action heads, Dart blocks, roller everything including cam bearings, you are looking at well over 10K. It is sad when the all mighty $$$ dictates what engine we need to "keep up". Unfortunately, in racing it is not "keeping up with the Jones'", it is plain keeping up. We run a pretty heavy track and most of the HP can be hooked up. This year we are going UMP so it will only get worse...


Racer X
Member
posted November 14, 2002 06:06 PM
Wauge28
Is it just Medford that's going UMP or is there anyone else? There's no doubt there's a lot of spendy engines down your way. Nationals proved that.


Wauge28
Member
posted November 14, 2002 08:39 PM
Yreka Ca, was UMP last year but they are rumored to IMCA this year. I think they are trying to keep the Medford cars out. Klamath is also UMP and run on Sundays. I have heard other rumors that Yreka with Run UMP on Friday nights so we will have three night a week. Who knows what is the truth? You guys had a great nationals this year. Can wait til next year. I hear it might be $7000 or $8000 to win?


JERP27
Member
posted November 15, 2002 12:31 PM
We raced in Minnesota and Wisconsin, up here you need the hp to even compete. The motors that we ran this year were:
$9,000-406
$7,000-383
$15,000-spec

I know it's A LOT but thankfully I don't have to pay the bills. Most of the tracks that we run at do not have a claim and the very few that do, people just don't bother with it.

Mudslinger
Member
posted November 18, 2002 05:07 PM
shoot in my class of four cylinders there is a bunch of guys that have 7-12k in there motors. I think it is kind of rediculas but if that is what they need to compete with my 3500 dollar motor let them have at it. Bobby


zeroracing
Member
posted November 18, 2002 10:19 PM
Mudslinger, you are 100% correct. Spec motors do nothing to keep the cost down. When my driver told me that he was going to get one, it was no big deal unitl he told he the price. But like I said before, I am thankful that I don't have to write the checks out at the end of the day.