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Author Topic:   how to 3 wheel ?
damon_4_29
Member
posted October 23, 2002 03:36 PM
i want to 3 wheel in my mod its a 3 link with springs on sliders and they are mounted on the trailing arm. with 250 LR and 200 RR. the panhard bar is behind the rear end. what should i do ?


24mod
Member
posted October 23, 2002 03:42 PM
Shorty bar on the pinion and some lead should do the trick.


2nd2none
Member
posted October 23, 2002 04:58 PM
move the LR to behind axle and put the short panhard bar on and raise rear C of G. and put as much bar angles in as you can.

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outlawstock17
Member
posted October 23, 2002 05:37 PM
anyone tried a 90/10 shock mounted vertically on the front of the pinion with the shorty pinion bar?


dirtracr
Member
posted October 23, 2002 09:26 PM
Raise your roll center (panard bar way down on both ends) Soften RR spring, Raise your LR trailing arm to the top hole and put the spring in front of the housing (LR). Then...hope you start on the pole cause she won't wanta turn so good...

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old racer
Member
posted October 24, 2002 11:15 AM
Ooops, my bad. I guess I meant "lower" role center. Sorry, hopefully you knew what I meant...


JasonBrock
unregistered
posted October 27, 2002 01:04 AM           
Is 3 wheeling effective? 95% of the cars I watch that are really hauling *** have all four on the ground.


Wauge28
Member
posted October 27, 2002 01:29 AM
I agree. It seems like a "3 Wheeler" will light the track on fire and stand out as "the fastest guy they have ever seen"...The next race, he is in the wall or pushing like a freight train. Just like the other guy, my car 3 wheeled for about 4 or 5 races. Looks great for the pictures but I failed to get a good finish with it. I know there are guys out there that swear by it and really fast; all I am saying is that in traffic and onr 9 out of 10 tracks, all 4 is the way to go.


HIGHVOLTAGE
Member
posted October 27, 2002 06:43 PM
Damon our car last night was a rocket in hot laps and heat race.Yes it was 3 wheeling fastest the car has been all year.But when track dried out and went black slick in the feature she did'nt 3 wheel we fell back.We are gonna try softening rr sping to a 150 # and moving lr trailing arm up one hole(3 link) next week and see what happens last race what the heck.Our driver said he loved the way car felt .GOOD LUCK and yes it gets a little touchy in traffic.


old racer
Member
posted October 27, 2002 07:33 PM
i agree with old racer, when track starts to dry out at feature time raise the panhard bar up on frame side about 1 inch. This will tighten the car up and give it more bite and sidebite it needs to run on a dry track.


dirtracer14
Member
posted October 27, 2002 10:15 PM
Raise the panhard on the frame side? Am i missing somthing there i allways drop it for the main ?


Wauge28
Member
posted October 27, 2002 10:51 PM
And there is the debate. Lowering it will create more body roll and load the RR with the weight of the car. If you raise the left side of the panard, it pushes on the rear end harder and plants the tire closest to the panard bar mount. Two different ways to create side bite. A panard bar really doesnt affect forward bite much, it only seems that way cause the corner speed is improved by side bite and the momentum lets you come off better. Oh, and Craig, I lower mine too...

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dirtracer14
Member
posted October 27, 2002 11:10 PM
We played around with the panhard alot this year, i have also found that once you get to a certain point of up or down you are creating some other factors to deal with. But i will have to disagee with the fact the it wont increase foward bite, depending were the bar is mounted and how the car is sitting when looking for the affect. You got that car ready yet? Hey mark im looking for rear hubs for a floater if you know of any for sale down that way let me know.


old racer
Member
posted October 28, 2002 06:52 AM
I run the panhard low on the frame side when it slicks off. It loosens the car a little on entry, but it picks on the LR quicker. The higher on the frame you have it, the longer it stays on RR.


Wauge28
Member
posted October 28, 2002 07:13 PM
I have tried all but the short bar on the rear of the housing...until now. I just welded a braket to the back side and have about a 13 in panard bar on the back. On paper, it should be good. The bar should lower when on the gas and create even more body roll...We shall see???


andykmod
Member
posted October 29, 2002 10:24 PM
THE ROLL-STEER IS THE KEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


old racer
Member
posted October 30, 2002 10:12 PM
State championships? I have never heard of any states that have all the tracks under one sanctioning body. Where does the kid race?


jhon hollomon
Member
posted November 13, 2002 02:03 PM
I agree with zero. I'll admit, it takes a lot of talent and skill to win races but how many people are underfunded and never get the recognition they deserve?I know a lot of guys that fit that description.


zeroracing
Member
posted November 13, 2002 03:44 PM
YUP!


Wallydog9g
Member
posted November 14, 2002 09:09 AM
run your springs on top of the rear end, 150 on the rr and 200 lr
short panhard bar with a lot of angle, 9 degrees pinion angle and 20 degress pull bar angle, with a 1100 pull bar spring. stand on the gas and hang on