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Author Topic:   Camlock seat belts
speedy46
Member
posted February 17, 2002 01:23 PM
does anyone use camlock seat belts in a dirt mod and do they ever come undone and how do they work? thanks


marple
Member
posted February 17, 2002 04:48 PM
i use em in my stret stock and they have never came undone.i wouldnt switch back two latch and link for anything.


awkwardjeff
Member
posted February 17, 2002 07:08 PM
I agree.....I have used cam-lock belts for 10 years.......the old style was a little problem with safety people not knowing how to unbuckle them if you were not awake when they got to the car. I would never race with a latch over system.....in my opinion they shouldn't even be allowed, We have all raced on after having a latch over system come undone while pulling a cover-up off. Even more so if you use arm restraints instead of a window net........after the belts come undone we race on waiting for a yellow to try and buckle back in.....It's a bad deal waiting to happen......

I will say that the cam system needs to be taken care of.......cleaned and oiled...
Once or twice a year I get ready to buckle in and there is a piece of mud stuck in where the latch needs to go......I have a crew member help me buckle in every time....
once or twice a year he needs to go to the tool box and get a small screwdriver so I can pick the mud out to lock in the belts...

Nothing if idiot proof, but these belts are far better, but need a little more attention to keep working.

99EMBREY
Member
posted February 18, 2002 04:18 PM
The best way to latch the cam lock is when you get ready to buckle in is to put the latch in the lock position and then push in the belt ends and they will be locked. This took me awhile to figure out.

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David Rinke


racer17j
Member
posted February 20, 2002 01:18 PM
jeff we took care of that problem with emts not knowing how to open them all our ems people know how to do it or they don't work at the track


awkwardjeff
Member
posted February 22, 2002 01:18 AM
I have done the same thing with our safety people, But when we race some where else...You never know what their safety people know.......The new cam system is easy for anyone to figure out.....but the old knob system you turned......now that was a problem for some safety people.....THEY NEVER DID FIND A LEVER TO PULL.......

When you are alseep, hanging upside down with fuel running on the ground is NOT the best time for a crew member to explain the proper way to unlatch the belts.....been there, done that.....

jonboy
Member
posted February 26, 2002 08:15 PM
I know of a sprint car driver that flipped and wound up stuck between the wing and the roll cage which was the only thing that saved him from going on to the track. The Emergency worker at the track told me the cam belt came unlatched and thought they were dangerous from either not being latched properly in the dark or coming loose in a race. The problem of not knowing how to release them in an emergency is a real one as many tracks have volunteer fireman that may not be familiar with this kind of restraint system. I personally wouldn't use them because of the emergency workers not being trained on how to release them. I have never used anything but Simpson belts and the latch is tight although I've seen other belts that the latch mechanism is loose and that scares me. Some drag racing sanctions require annual inspection of the belts and some annual replacement even though they don't open and close the latches in a year as much as a dirt driver would do in a month. We all know the webing deteriorates by heat, chemicals and the like but the latches do wear to. Check your belts.


awkwardjeff
Member
posted February 27, 2002 11:31 AM
jonboy, This driver you spoke of in a sprint car......his belts had to be latched, they came undone when the car was flipping. His arm restaints got under the lever and lift it that's how the new cam system works.
This happens with the old latch over systems more often because the latch is bigger. And in the event of a hard crash the bigger latch will weight more with the G-forces of a crash......that makes them MORE likely to open VS. a cam style.

In my earlier post I stated this is the problem with ANY belt system, the arm restraints getting under the latch and opening them up.....
the OLDER style cam lock was much better. You needed to turn a knob to open the latch. They worked great, I PERSONALLY NEVER SEEN ONE OPEN WITHOUT A HUMAN HAND.......The problem with them was saftey crews not being informed on how to release them.......I still own a set that I have re-webbed.

If the drivers or promotors would have taken the time to teach the safety crews of the new saftey equipment they would still be available........
in closing I will say that you are correct that it's hard to get belted in properly in the dark. that's why every driver should have a crew person help them strap into the car, holding a flashlight. Sometimes a driver will miss getting one strap into the latch no matter what system they use, or they won't get the arm restaints into the latch..........

I appriecate your thoughts and concerns on belt safety.

Jeff

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