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Author Topic:   Quickchanges...
jammin
Administrator
posted February 02, 2001 09:33 AM
Would your purchase a quickchange if your sanctioning organization legalized them?


KK17
Member
posted February 02, 2001 03:11 PM
Yes we would. It will save us money in the long run. Last year we raced 14 tracks on the west coast and all are different


Racer 111
Member
posted February 02, 2001 04:49 PM
I would in a heartbeat.


fury
Member
posted February 02, 2001 06:22 PM
I believe that a quick change would be very affordable when you consider all the gear changes possible for cheap gears.


jammin
Administrator
posted February 02, 2001 10:03 PM
The reason I asked...I talked to Brett Root a while back about this....he said that none of the existing racers would want the expense of crossing over...I told him he was dead wrong...
IMCA is very set in their ways.


MOD RACER#93
Member
posted February 02, 2001 10:56 PM
I'm all for it. I don't think it's a performance advantage at all having a qc. Not only are gear changes easier and cheaper but a tube change is easier too. I have a new car that takes different width rearend. After weighing the facts it would be alot easier to buy a new rearend than to lenghthen one side. If we had quick changes I could just buy one side tube and a new axle and bolt it in.


boris
Member
posted February 03, 2001 09:38 AM
A quick change is not going to be any better in the performance dept.A 9 inch is a lot lighter,spins easier and cheaper,but the gear change option would be so much cheaper and faster to change at the track.There is talk about going with a gear rule but if there is that would negate any quick change issue.As for me if we can afford the gears for a 9 inch,we will have a faster car.


garyg1
Member
posted February 03, 2001 02:14 PM
quick changes are only way to go to keep cost down. I spent lot, lot less on a quick change a 3 gear changes for my late model than I did for a 9" ford and 3 gear changes for my modified. I will never buy another 9" for gear again. lets the little guy with no pit crew adjust his gearing for his track and motor combination. with 9" for rules only the big guys with lots of money and pit crew to change gears quickly at track get that advantage now. As far as performance the 9" ford will be lighter in weight and less horsepower to turn over but I will give that up for the convenience and the enjoyment of being able to experiment with different gear combinations at different tracks. Can't do that now with only my wife along for pit crew and I'm not changing pumpkins in the middle of summer and all that hot gear oil all over the place. takes the fun out of trying to go faster on raceday.


MOD RACER#93
Member
posted February 03, 2001 09:10 PM
I've had Q.C.s, and they are nice but if you want one in a mod, move to LM's.
You say IMCA is set in their ways, but (and I don't always agree)they have been successful with keeping the cars simple. It is us the racer who makes them complicated.
My vote for QC's...NO

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garyg1
Member
posted February 04, 2001 11:45 AM
just allowing quick changes in mods is not going to make it a late model with 8" tires. Just going to make it cheaper and more enjoyable to race. and modracer93, big guy with big motor is going to get his car geared correct now because he has spare gears and a crew to change them, so this will be no extra advantage to him. He already has an advantage over me as I am not going to change gears at track as the rules are now. WILL be an advantage to the little guy like me with little money and no pit crew who will then be able to change gearing. Quick changes sure look high tech and more expensive so if you don't look into the facts you are going to be against them. But facts prove they are less expensive and looking high tech does not make them faster. they take more power to turn over than a 9" ford so you get no direct performance advantage. again the advantage goes to the little guy who will be equal to the big guys and can change gearing as needed at the track plus spend less money on parts doing it. A plus, plus, plus situation. No negatives about them other than they psychologically look faster and therefore scare the uninformed away from them for this class. Any rule that saves money, save work and makes it more enjoyable to run the class should be incorporated in the rules. Nobody is asking for rubber front bumpers, fenders, wide 5 hubs, aluminum wheels, tubular spindles etc. etc. that would make these cars more expensive and/or faster to run so comparing them to a late model is ridiculous.


MOD RACER#93
Member
posted February 05, 2001 01:34 AM
I think it would be a very good move for UMP. helps make things alot easier on us at the track!


wfoondirt
Member
posted February 07, 2001 10:43 AM
I for one am for running a quick-change mainly for the fact that its one additional tuning aid. But a few points to consider on this topic that haven't been mentioned. For one if UMP does allow q/c's it will be because Winters sponsorship, and this means that there will be a spec housing that must be bought from Winters and not just any q/c that you can pick up used at a swap meet, at least not right away. And on the topic of swap meets, how easy do you think it will be to sell a housing and a half-dozen gears for a decent price with all the modified guys triing to sell them. Around here at least i know that the majority of the sportsman cars run a much lower gear than the modifieds and only have one maybe two sets. Another point is retrofiting most existing modified for a q/c would require reengineering the rear of the car to accomidate the larger housing. I don't think the additional weight of a q/c is an issue anymore with the implementation of the 2350 weight rule, because the majority of modified could use the additional weight. I also think the paracitic drag of the additional gear set is negated by the ability to tune the rpm range to torque curve of the engine. If UMP allows the q/c UMP modifieds wil be UMP legal and thats it, but they pretty much all ready are that way. It was mentioned earlier that most unlimited classes allow the q/c, and i think for all intents and purposes the UMP modified class is an unlimited class, or at least as much so as the late models. Basically the only think that is limited in the modifieds is the fact that a stock stub is required, but most cars i have seen have the stubs illegally modified anyway so what the difference.


Reign
Member
posted February 10, 2001 01:56 AM
the gear change is good but break a 5th arm bracket or pull bar bracket and load it up unless u got a spool gun for the aluminum case and i dont think anyone has one of those at my track but hey who wants to spend 400 a pop for gears anyway