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Author Topic:   off-set upper A -frame shafts
awkwardjeff
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posted February 16, 2001 11:16 AM
I know moog makes a off-set shaft for stock upper A frames, used one a few years back.
I have lost the part number and in need of making a set in the next week or two.
I need the moog part number for a small metric car, off-set shaft.
Thanks Jeff


awkwardjeff
Member
posted February 17, 2001 08:34 PM
Just moving this up, I can't believe someone out there doesn't have this information for me..............


widebody
Member
posted February 18, 2001 11:11 PM
1978-1987 metric shaft kit.
The moog kit your talking about is called the moog problem solver kit. K-6218.
Listed as a upper control arm offset shaft kit; comes with 1 shaft 2 bushings.

Sorry it took so long for the reply, had to get home to my moog catalog, ive been living in the garage latley..



fast_crew
Member
posted February 19, 2001 09:15 AM
What does this offset shaft do? And what problem does it solve I have never seen this kit and was wondering if would help our metric car. Anyhelp would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks alot Josh K.


poboy2
Member
posted February 19, 2001 08:16 PM
I work at a parts store and am familiar with the offset shaft kit that moog offers. The only problem is that the shaft kit for the metric car is offset very little,too little to do me any good.


awkwardjeff
Member
posted February 20, 2001 08:25 AM
WIDEBODY
Thanks for the reply, THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED

josh, the off-set shaft will help you change camber more. you can move the upper ball joint in or out depending on which way you bolt the shaft to the mount. Some people have a problem with getting enough camber with the stock shaft.

widebody
Member
posted February 20, 2001 08:42 AM
I am goning to assume that everyone is talking about the drivers side. Has anyone mounted the a-arm on the other side of the mount. thats like .75" out further. The only draw back is it moves the shaft over the shock mount. But with some creative hammering and trim the top of the shock stud, I think it would work.
Would it be to much camber???


awkwardjeff
Member
posted February 20, 2001 10:06 AM
Widebody, I've thought of doing this sevral times, But I never have, I'm affraid our tech people would have a problem with doing that, but they don't seem to have a problem with cutting the mount off and welding it back on where you need.????.........
Another way to gain camber is to move the ball joint out on top, about a 1/4 inch is all you gain, then buy the off-set shaft and place it on the mill and knock another 1/4 or 3/8 off and you can gain like crazy....
I know it's a ton of work, and to meet the rules at most tracks this is what the people going fast are doing..........a lot of work and a little gain here and a little gain there to make the outcome what the need.


widebody
Member
posted February 20, 2001 03:17 PM
I know a mod to the upper control arm wont fly. but with the upper rebolted to the other side of the stock mount, all I have done is made an alignment change. Whats the difference with 1.5" of shim on the pass. side or -1.5" of shim on the drivers. For or rules I would have to do it this way. Like you said grind a bit off of the mounting surface of the cross shaft and the mount..

SO has anyone else done this before???

awkwardjeff
Member
posted February 21, 2001 03:20 PM
Widebody, what are you running for lowers? I've never seen a car that needed that much shim to get caster/camber correct, bolt a left side upper on the right side one time and shim about 1/2 inch on both bolts.......
take all the shim out of the left side upper and send me your caster camber numbers.
This all assumes the answer to my first question is stock metric lowers.

widebody, I looked in the chassis page and seen you posted a few pics there and stated this was a BIG metric frame. Is this the one you are having a hard time getting the caster/camber numbers with??????
I started this conversation looking for a part number for a small metric and it seems to be taking on a life of it own. Just wanted to know if we are talking about the same thing or if you are working with the big car?
Jeff

[This message has been edited by awkwardjeff (edited February 21, 2001).]

widebody
Member
posted February 22, 2001 11:59 PM
My only comment on the positive camber on the LF was the most Ive ever goten from our metric car was 1.5+ and still getting caster I liked. I would like to see 3+.
We run OEM/DOT tires and need more initial static camber.

I was only throwing ideas out for the topic. Off set upper A-Frame shafts. I wasnt looking for help or answers for any particular problem.