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Crazzy 4 Racin
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posted May 18, 2000 01:38 AM
i found this bit of information on the internet and thought i would share it with everyone.
STREET STOCK/ HOBBY STOCK CAR SELECTION

CARS AND ITEMS TO CONSIDER

Many times Camaros and Firebirds are specifically prohibited by rules in these kinds of classes. If your rules allow it, this is the vehicle of choice.

1970-1981 Camaro/Firebird (GM F Body); Wheel base=108 inches; Rear Suspension=Leaf Spring

As a second chioce you might want to consider one of the GM X-Body vehicles. These include the 1975-79 Chevy nova, buick apollo, olds omega, pontiac ventura, and buick skylark; whellbase=111 inches; rear suspension=leaf springs.

Other vehicles to consider, although they all have 4-link coil over spring rear suspensions which are much more difficult to work with in the stock configuration. all of these vehicles also have full perimeter frames which is a plus for rigidity and ease of roll cage installation.

1973-86 GM A-Body (chevy chevelle/malibu, pontiac gto, olds cutlass, buick skylark/special); wheelbase=112; rear suspension=4-linkcoil.

1973-86GM G Body (chevy monte carlo, pontiac gran prix); wheelbase=1973-77 - 116 inches; 1978-86 -112 inches; rear suspension=4-link ciol. note: 1978-86 all GM A-Body and G-Body vehicles are the same and all suspension parts are interchangeable.

1977-79 ford thunderbird, ford ltd 2-door; wheelbase=114 inches; rear sespension=4-link coil.

i always see people writing in alot about car chioces and maybe this will help them out.

crazzy

4d_POWER
Member
posted May 18, 2000 09:20 PM
Thanks for the information Crazzy,
I see alot of Camaros in the stock division
(dare I say too many?) but I think most rules require 108" wheelbase and therefore I can see why that would be a good choice.

Are there any Ford frames with the 108inch wheelbase? I don't like the looks of the
older 77-79 birds. I like the 1988 or newer Tbird's but I need a 108" frame to put it on,
What about the 79-85 Granada's or something?

Thanks for the info!!

SIDEGRINDER
Member
posted May 18, 2000 09:36 PM

Are there any Ford frames with the 108inch wheelbase? I don't like the looks of the
older 77-79 birds. I like the 1988 or newer Tbird's but I need a 108" frame to put it on,
What about the 79-85 Granada's or something?

Thanks for the info!![/B][/QUOTE]
Whats the wheel base of the early 80s thunderbird? Would the newer body fit on it? Why cant you use the newer thunderbird and cougar on the orginal frame?


4d_POWER
Member
posted May 19, 2000 10:11 PM
I think that the 88 Tbird is too short,
like 103-4 or something. 1989 and up are
more than 108, which would work fine.

Are there any major disadvantages to running
a unibody vs. a full frame?
I know you can straighten out a full frame
after a wreck, what's the prognosis on a
unibody crash?

Are there any websites out there with that
kind of Wheelbase data?

Thanks


SIDEGRINDER
Member
posted May 19, 2000 10:23 PM
Well the top 2 cars are subframe chevy ,I dont see why a subframe ford woulnt work also. Keep me posted . I think the newer thunderbird or cougar would make a good looking car. by the way Im building a 75 nova now.



Crazzy 4 Racin
Member
posted May 19, 2000 11:45 PM
i'm not so sure about the fords guys. i'm a chevy man my self. but i will look around on the net to see if i can find anything on fords.
as far as an advantage of a full frame to a sub frame car. the sub frame is leaf spring car and a little easier to set up, perfect for a driver new to racing. but the chassis flexes a whole lot more than a full frame car.
both cars have its pro's and con's.
and ford didn't really make a body style that really apealed to me that much. i did see a 83 or so mustang once in the street stock class some where but that wheel base is to short at most tracks.
i don't see many fords at our local track. mostly chevy and a couple of dodge dusters.



Flatlander
Member
posted May 21, 2000 12:19 AM
quote:
Originally posted by 4d_POWER:
Are there any Ford frames with the 108inch wheelbase? I don't like the looks of the
older 77-79 birds. I like the 1988 or newer Tbird's but I need a 108" frame to put it on,
What about the 79-85 Granada's or something?

Thanks for the info!![/B]


What I use is a mid 1980's Crown Vic.
YOu have to shorten the frame, but if done right, you can't tell. I you need more info, email me at d4490@msn.com



4d_POWER
Member
posted May 25, 2000 09:43 AM
Thanks D4490, my rules require stock wheelbase so i don't think I could shorten
the frame. I don't know if wheelbase makes
the most difference anyways. I've seen a bunch of Monte Carlo's and Malibu's that do well. I think it's everything put together,
you know, set up, motor, driver, etc.

I really like the looks of this car: http://www.angelfire.com/ny/allyoop83/
It's an '88 Tbird body on a cut frame.

I think I could use an '89 on the original frame, is there anything you can do to a
unibody to strengthen it so there's not as much flex?

Also is there a database or anything online
that has wheelbase listings for cars??
I haven't been able to find one,
I even emailed FordMoCo but they require a VIN before you can get information.
haha

Thanks




d4490
Member
posted May 27, 2000 08:32 AM
4d_power,
The 88 Ford t-birds are a shorter wheelbase than 108", they are around 104". I like the mid 1980's Crown Vics because of the front geometry (much like a camaro) an has a four link in the rear. Where I run, the class is dominated by GM Metric frames. They are easy to get forward bite out of, and you don't have to worry about changing leaf springs for a different spring rate.

Please send me you track rules to help you on your motor question.

4d_POWER
Member
posted May 29, 2000 11:14 AM
Thanks D4490 for the information!



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