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notchman
Member
posted July 28, 2002 11:30 AM
Howdy,
was wondering if there are any ford type dirt track racers out there. If so what kind besides mustangs can be run at most tracks?

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TRAP
Member
posted July 28, 2002 05:05 PM
We run a Merc. grand marquis in the bomber class at the local track but have also seen T birds, taurus, crown vic. , torino, and even an old falcon.

Out of all of them the most impressive I have seen was the T bird. Appeared to handle great and plenty of horsepower out of the turns.

TRAP

notchman
Member
posted July 29, 2002 06:07 AM
That is so cool, because I was thinkin about using a T-Bird. I thought I heard a rumor once that most Fords were unusable as race cars. Somethin about them being A-frames or somethin. Do most tracks have a problem with that? The real question is,,,,, How come ya don't see more Fords on local tracks??

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uforacing51
Member
posted July 29, 2002 12:01 PM
The best ford racecar I have seen used is a torino, they have a full perimeter frame and good a arms. My good friend is getting one ready to race and I am helping him, I have raced chevys my whole life, and this one seems just like a chevy in many respects. Good car!!


MissTwenty
Member
posted July 29, 2002 02:23 PM
fwiw, if any Ford fanatics are interested, I still have a set of Lentz racing rods that'll fit a 351W crank. $400 and they come with new H bearings.
Killer rods, too....

Kinetic Performance

dode
Member
posted July 30, 2002 10:46 AM
What kind of Torino's work well? I know where an old 4 door with a 351C 2V is that I could get for next to nothing. Would this make for a decent car? I too am a Ford man, and would much rather run a Ford.

John

6pack
Member
posted July 30, 2002 11:05 AM
Man,
this is some great stuff I was thinkin about makin a bomber out of a late model T-bird, like a 92 or newer. Whaddya think?

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dode
Member
posted July 31, 2002 09:21 AM
If you want late model Tbird, 89 and newer are the same frame, along with Cougars. Great cars. In fact, I own two. 91-93 came with a 5.0, so you should be able to get a 351W in there with no problems, or a 302 of course. Big thing here is rear suspension. These cars have independent suspension stock, so unless you can run that, you are going to have to totally redo the rear end of the car to get a 9" under it. If you have any questions about a late model Tbirds, feel free to ask. I know them inside and out.

John

notchman
Member
posted July 31, 2002 11:32 AM
That's awesome. Wouldn't I be able to run it in most pure stock classes. What do you recommend I use for a 9" rear end?

Thanx for the help>

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4d_POWER
Member
posted August 03, 2002 12:22 PM
I am currently in the process of building an '89 T-bird into a dirt stocker.
The 1989-1997 T-birds are the same with interchangeable parts inside and out.
The car is a unibody, so we connected the front and rear with 2x3 square and attached cage to that.
Also the rear is an 8.8 IRS, our rules state any stock rear, make sure your rules allow!!
The real test I think will be in setting up the front end, it uses shocks/struts with the spring over them, I think it's called short arm - long arm or something. It'll be a challenge but it will also be different.

Also ever since I can remember I've heard people say " They are too expensive ",
believe that if you want, you can shop around and find parts and engine parts at
decent prices. It just takes some patience and research.

Go for it.


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Tom Asmus
Member
posted August 03, 2002 01:38 PM
We run all FORDs out of our shop, and our hobby stock we have is 79-up LTD! Those cars are tough and durable!! It has been kickin but all season! We also have a Torino reason we dont like those is the tie rods are real weak. Plus the Frames for the newer LTDS are still sold by FORD! We also have but Super Stocks by using a newer LTD frame shortened to 108 inch wheelbase and restub the back of the frame with a 65-67 Galaxie tail with the 3 link with a pahard bar. The we put a 85 T Bird body on it. I now am runnin a WISSOTA mod from CUSTOM PERFORMANCE with that 79-up LTD stub. All our cars are also runnin 351 Windsors!


351c rules
Member
posted August 04, 2002 08:11 PM
I too run 79&up ltd's but i've had some problems with handling.it's either to tight or to loose. Tom you state that you are kicking but in the post above.Could you please help me with this.Is there any thing you change to the front end for it to work right. springs are 1000rf 700lf 110rr 185lr stock napa shocks. I had 1100rf 1000lf 200rr 250lr and the car was uncontrolible. I also have to run 11deg camber on rf to get a good wear. we run a 1/4 mile high banked oval

thanks for help
mike

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dode
Member
posted August 04, 2002 10:32 PM
4d_power-

The T-bird front suspension is just a simple SLA suspension, just with a little different setup. What part is throwing you? It has a simple coil over shock setup on the front as well, having nothing to do with a strut, no matter what the parts store tells you. There are MANY sources for shocks for these cars, if you need any help, just ask. I know these cars inside and out.

As for the rear end, I am very seriously considering running a Tbird as well. What better to use as a race car than your daily driver. Anyway, what have you done to reinforce the rear end? Are you using the stock half shafts, or what? How close are you to running? I would be very interested to hear more. Feel free to email me at ksu_engineer@yahoo.com. Thanks.

John

notchman
Member
posted August 05, 2002 05:37 AM
Thanx everybody for all the replies. I almost committed myself to a $300 90-somethin
T-Bird. But ran outta money. My accountant(aka. 'Da Wife')says we have ta see if it is fate that I have it next payday. Think I'll keep my fingers crossed. The info you guys gave me is amazing and I hope maybe we can take over all the tracks with Ford stuff.

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dirtracer7
Member
posted August 07, 2002 01:17 PM
I run a 77 LTD II with 347 under the hood.Its 109 wheelbase. My best lap time is 25.2 on a half mile banked clay oval its a half mile on the inside guard rail.Right now I'm running around 26.0 and trying to get a push going in the corner worked out.This is my second year racing.I'm 8th in points out of 56 entries through out the year.I'm the first in points of the non-sponsored cars.You can build a 396 c.i. for a little less than the 347 but the 347 weighs 100 lbs less.The super stock track champ for the last two years is running a Blue Oval also with a $3,000 motor and beating Chevies built by pros and costing about $14,000 so the thing about cost can go either way.I put together a couple chevies for others and I can say that this 347 cost about $500 more to build than a 330hp 350 and I can smoke them on the track. Good luck building your car


ford5
Member
posted August 11, 2002 07:40 AM
4d Power.. there is guy here where i'm from that is also building a 92 t-bird for the hobby class, i had told him it would be an excellent choice because of the design features, if he could only get it past the tech issues lol, but he inquired about running one , and the promoter said ok.....now his question....what did you do to the wheel studs and bolt circle? he is wanting to run 4.5 on 5 by 8in wheels and they dont fit. did you redrill all or? and also the offset is wrong because the caliper hits the inside of the rim. did you space it out? thanks --ford5


dode
Member
posted August 11, 2002 02:34 PM
The bolt pattern on the Tbirds is 5X4.25. You can very easily convert them to 5X4.25 using mustang parts. The hubs will bolt right on, along with the brake disks. The kicker is that you need the 93-97 spindles as they are a little different. Easy to find in the junk yard though. What offset of wheels are you running? They should fit fine, but you never know. I would love to see some Tbirds out there. I can probably answer about any questions anyone has about them. I have been working on them for years.

John

4d_POWER
Member
posted August 11, 2002 06:11 PM
ford5,

dode answered the question,

You can update the hubs to a mustang 4 1/2
bolt pattern...
here's a very good article describing the exact procedures and part numbers.
http://members.tccoa.com/dlf/Article.html

If that don't work use this link: http://www.tccoa.com/articles/suspension/index.html#
and Click on the bottom artice that's titled...MN-12 to SN-95 Bolt Circle Change

I haven't made the conversion yet but
I believe that is the route I'm going to take, Thanks to dode for the great info!
Right now it looks like I'll need about
5 1/2 inches of backspacing to clear the calipers.


hotrod99h6
Member
posted August 12, 2002 12:55 AM
Nice to see other people have faith in fords..I run a 77 Tbird..go to www.enidmotorspeedway.net and look at Factory Stock #99h looks just like Jeff Burton's...thats ours...Keep on running them cant no Chevy hang!!!!


racing18
Member
posted September 19, 2002 09:40 AM
I was thinking about buying a 1971 Ford Mustang Fastback, It has a nice cage and good frame. He wants $250 for it is it a good buy? I heard parts are hard to come by? It has no eng. or tran. It does have a good 9" rearend. So should I buy it?


The Outlaw
Member
posted September 19, 2002 02:12 PM
yall need to check out my ford thunderbird (ltd II chassis( i have for slae, with a 351 cleveland, a helluva buy for someone. email me at outlawracinggraphics@yahoo.com if interested....needs to go, runs AWESOME!


notchman
Member
posted September 20, 2002 07:13 PM
I need to do some research, but I would really love to build a late model t-bird, like the one Hale-racer from www.Crowmountainmotorsports.com .

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