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b00
Member
posted January 01, 2001 12:41 PM
I think that most chassis are just piles of tubing.Having said this they also have to be strong enough to hold up to racing and still light enough to be fast. I think what makes a fast car is the guy that knows what he's doing.This is where the chassis maker is a lot of help.They have a network of customers that can feed them information that can help you.


Racer 111
Member
posted January 01, 2001 06:45 PM
Not all cars a created equal.Certain builders dont have a clue what there doing other than taking your money.I've been there and it ***** .Look at the cars there building are they winning and have they won.Talk to the people that have the cars.Is the builder organized ,does the car have little things like bolt on bumpers and nerfs and will they fit the same stlye of other cars.These are small details that builders like CHAMPION CHASSIS,RAYBURN, HARRIS,have done to make racing a little better.Look at the craftmanship.


awkwardjeff
Member
posted January 01, 2001 07:27 PM
You sound like a chassis builder looking for customer feed back, all I can say is be HONEST..........We now build all our own stuff because we couldn't deal with a builder that was honest enough for me.
I don't care if I give you $4000 at Thanks Giving and you tell me you will have a car done for me by may 1st.......that would be my decision to give you the cash or not. But if I don't get my new car until June 1st we're going to have problems.....
Time frame is very important, not that it needs to be fast built. But my word is gold, I expect the same from anyone I do business with, I'll wait for the right car, then don't tell me what I need. I'm here to tell you what I need, I've got a garage full of parts and they need to fit the next car or it just gets too expensive.
I build every thing myself, from A-frames to Z-links. The problem with this is I need to build three of every thing so if I have a bad week in the summer and tear up the car twice in the same week I can still race by bolting things on, I can't walk over to the parts trailer at the track and buy parts to fit my car.........my clamp on brackets are home built and the store bought ones don't fit my car.
So some times it's a pain, but now that I've done this a few years I wouldn't do it any other way. I wish there was a builder I could deal with so I had more time for my other things in life.
The last new car I bought, I call a very well known chassis builder and asked about front clips and some of the pick-up points in the rear of the car. If I'm going to spend 10-12 thousand dollars I feel I have the right to know before I drive the 5 hours over to see him and his cars......He told me
"I'M NOT TELLING YOU ANY THING. OUR CARS ARE FAST AND WIN RACES IF YOU WANT ONE SEND ME YOUR MONEY, IF NOT YOUR WASTING MY TIME.....
I bought a new car that year from another builder, but told myself, NEVER AGAIN.....
getting people to the front door is easy enough.......I've found that out, People come to me now to build things for them....
taking the time to understand what they want, and need, and can afford. This is what a great builder needs......more time to take care of the racers that come his way.....JEFF


b00
Member
posted January 01, 2001 08:10 PM
bOO,
Being from your area, I know a few of the chassis builders you may be dealing with. I'd agree wholeheartedly with the posts that said your best bet is to buy from a builder that is willing to help you. The best in our part of the country would surely be either Cobra (Built by Dave Mueller and driven by Larry Zeller, Troy Kuyoth, and others)or Specialty Fabricating (Built by Jay McDonald and driven by Pat Doar, Craig Thatcher, Dave Cain, Ron Mahder, the list goes on..). I've had personal experience with the builders of both of these cars and have been extremely impressed with the amount of information they're willing to give out. I just bought a used McDonald car last fall and was very impressed with the fact that Jay faxed me a copy of his chassis set-up sheet with just a phone call, never having actually met before. I've talked to him on a couple of occasions since then and he's been extremely helpful with everything. I'm looking forward to having a real good season next year with some builder support and a huge chassis database to draw from.

Matt

BIGGGFISH
Member
posted January 02, 2001 10:00 AM
JEFF,IM LIKE YOU,I WANT TO KNOW THE SERVICE IS STILL THERE AFTER I SPEND MY MONEY,I WAS MOST IMPRESSED WITH AARON LARSON AT XTREME LAST YEAR I RACED A HOMEBUILT CAR AND I CALLED TO TALK TO AARON ABOUT SOME USED PARTS NEXT THING I KNOW WE SPENT ABOUT 2 HOURS ON THE PHONE THAT WAS JUST THE BEGINNING, HE HAS SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS WITH ME ON THE PHONE AND FAX TO HELP ME OUT,HE HAS EARNED MY BUS.IN MY OPINION I WILL HOPEFULLY NEVER HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER CHASSIS BECAUSE I CANT IMAGINE ANY BETTER TECH SUPPORT.


awkwardjeff
Member
posted January 04, 2001 07:07 PM
Boo, You said you have only good things to say about Harris, and Jet.......I don't say much about any of them when talking by name.
I will say that of the two GnarlyCar mentioned one of those is builder that I wasted his time..........I spend a total of 6 minutes on the phone with him, I've got the bill yet. I didn't think I asked question that were out of line. I'm not sure if the person I was talking to thought I was trying to copy his car over the phone, or maybe he was just having a bad day......either way, It doesn't matter to me.
The long and the short of chassis building is you will never please every person you deal with, some will not like your product, some will not like your prices, and some will not like your service.........
When you are starting out just don't bite off more then you can chew at one time.....
Don't promise some thing you can deliver and when the time come to deliver you better be willing to stay up all night long welding cutting and grinding to get that man what you promised...........when starting out ALL you have is your word. Once you have a customer base and a reputation of building fast cars I guess people will put up with more (stuff) crap to get your car.
I hope this gives you a little more insight of why some people build their own cars...
Jeff


b00
Member
posted January 04, 2001 08:56 PM
Jerry, PLEASE don't be offended. I did a lot of speaking about this topic and you maybe referring to some of the thing I wrote. The link to your web site doesn't work or maybe I don't know how to make it work.......LOL
I would like to see you site and know where you are from. You sound like a up-standing person, not just another chassis builder.
If the chassis people I have had to deal with in the past were as understanding to me needs as you seem to be to your customer needs I wouldn't have felt the need to start building my own cars............that makes me ask the question, Why did you start building cars.........I know because you enjoy doing it and for all the other reasons.
But was it out of need like most of us, or did you work at another chassis builder and decide you could do a better job for the customers for the same or less money?
I will look for your site........thanks Jeff


sixwillwin
Member
posted January 12, 2001 08:50 AM
I also could not get the "eagleII" link in the above post to work. Please advise us as I for one would really like to look at what you have to offer. Thanks sixwillwin


Sidebite
unregistered
posted January 12, 2001 09:20 AM           
Try this link, sometimes it works only in lowercase.....
http://www.eagleii.com/


jammin
Administrator
posted January 12, 2001 09:25 AM
His link is picking up the period guys......
WWW.EAGLEII.COM



awkwardjeff
Member
posted January 12, 2001 06:07 PM
Sidebite & jammin,
Thanks for the link help, I was to this site before but had forgot about it as its all the way across the USA.
It was nice to hear from the person who is responsible for this chassis to give us his thoughts though.............I wish him well in the business.
Jeff


eagleii
unregistered
posted January 13, 2001 07:32 AM           
Awkwardjeff, Jammin, and Everyone,

I was certainly not offended. I am just sorry that sometimes we get stereotyped. I am truly sorry that my link didn't work. You can exit to your browser and type in the address http://www.eagleii.com. It's a small site that I am doing myself so be patient with it and me.

To answer your question about building chassis. I spent 28 years in the Residential & Commercial construction industry. Like all other chassis builders, I built my first car for myself in 1994 and my son-in-law won the points championship in it that same year with 6 races still left in the season.

Then, I had people asking for my help and ended up building cars for them or helping them build their own. I actually started Eagle Chassis as "Say NO to Drugs" program. I built a new car (Modified) and started taking it to the local schools, Boy Scouts, Churches, etc. and talking to the kids. Then I built the track to bring the kids out here so they would have a safe place to hang out that didn't cost anything. The whole family would come.

The rest is history, I guess. I quit construction so I could spend more time with the kids and I build chassis & trailers to support that.

Thanks so much for the encouraging comments, I truly appreciate it. I have cars in Colorado, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and soon to be in Tenn., Kentucky and Arkansas. Even though I am in the "boondocks" I do manage to get get them delivered to the "real world" of racin'. HA HA

You guys sound like some real "class acts" and I am pleased to be on your message board.

Thanks, again for your replies. You are really encouraging.

Jerry

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b00
Member
posted January 13, 2001 09:43 AM
Boo, I'm from Duluth, MN..........I see you are From Mora, MN............maybe you want to buy some car's from me........JUST SEND YOUR CASH AND CALL ME NEXT YEAR AROUND NEW YEARS>>>>>>>>>>>>>LOL
I do have a line on a bunch of front clips right now and more then I'll use myself this year.......
PS. If you click on the first icon behind the date/time on my post you will see where I'm from.........If you click on the next icon you can email me direct..........Jeff

[This message has been edited by awkwardjeff (edited January 13, 2001).]

eagleii
unregistered
posted January 14, 2001 06:42 AM           
Hey Everybody,

DITTOS on this site. Jammin's doing a SUPER FINE job here.

Sorry the link to my site doesn't hit sometimes. Go to your browser and try WWW.EAGLEII.COM. The URL is HTTP://WWW.EAGLEII.COM. The two letters are I's (eyes) on the end of Eagle. Case doesn't matter.

Boo,
Thanks a million for the encouragement and the compliments. I get a lot of help from the "Man Upstairs" and see those blessings everyday in the faces of the kids I get to be with and help.

Awkwardjeff,
I like that comment. HA HA Get them to sent me some money,too, will ya'. MN,huh? One of your guys comes down here to race with us in Dec. every year at the Miller Modified Nationals. His name is Tim Dondlinger. He does well every year. I have never personally met him face to face, but he seems like a nice guy. He races clean and I like that in a driver. Cold up there? Good luck with your chassis, too. Maybe one day we can meet. I look forward to it.

Jerry, Eagle II

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eagleii
unregistered
posted January 14, 2001 07:11 AM           
Jammin,

THANKS A MILLION!!! I just discovered my web site in the LINKS section and IT WORKS.

When I clicked on it it went right to my site.

WOW, it's outstanding!

Jerry

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EagleII


awkwardjeff
Member
posted January 14, 2001 07:49 AM
Jerry, As you can see from my last post I do have a sense of humor too. But I was being honest........I've found that the guys that race as much as they can and are willing to travle that far just to have a good time race clean and are VERY OUTSTANDING PEOPLE.
Most of those racers take the family on vacation, they just bring the racer with on the trip......Any man taking his family on vacation deserves a pat on the back, all work and no play will make us old in a hurry.

I'm sure this is how I got to your web site before, through the links at this site. And I agree this site is a wounderful place, no name calling going on and everything has it's own page........so it's easy to find the help you are looking for.......KUDO'S TO JAMMIN
And about the weather, see it's been nice this winter about a foot of snow on the ground and only a few days below zero on the thermometer..............in January we get hit bad, usally about 20 days straight were the temp never gets above zero.........not even during the day............see thats why we are tuff-tuff people...........I drive a truck for a living myself, and have been all over this great country of ours. I would never live any where but in the North where it's cold as heck..............6 months out of every year it's too cold to hang out on the street corner and sell drugs and cause trouble.............not that we don't have any, just that the weather keeps it down and inside for the most part............My daughter goes to the race track so I know where she is on friday night, I hope she likes racing enough that when she gets a little older she still wants to go to the track instead of out with her friend on the weekend....................

Jeff

7a
Member
posted January 14, 2001 07:55 AM
guys my mod is a Boyd mike boyd and andrew theador build a great safe and fast car
as far as service goes ... last fall i changed a few things and didnt know how to do it so i took the car to porter oklahoma
and they got me fixed up in a day.
they also build some good strong moters..
what i really though was cool out there was i got there on a friday nite 6:00pmand saw a pile of steal on a jig just the chassie sat.
after noon at 3:00pm they were putting the car in the trailer to race at salida oklahoma
they ran second in the a main not bad for the first nite on a new car!


CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
Member
posted January 14, 2001 06:11 PM
eagle nice site you got going on. i think it is great you started building your own cars and trying to make a living at it.
jeff you sound like a knowledgable guy also, praise to you for building your own cars.
i would like to say to those that dont build your own cars, that THERE IS NOTHING THAT COMPARES TO SEEING ONE OF YOUR CARS YOU BUILT DOING WELL WITH SOMEONE ELSE OR WITH YOURSELF. it is tough work to build your own. i know because i do myself. jammin and i are working together on a chassis which i am about ready to pull off the jig(mod).
my goal after working for one of the former major builders of mods is to eventually get in the market of building them as a custom built to suit driver chassis, the way a driver wants it, not what someone is trying to sell as the trick of the week.
i invite you to look at my site being developed by jammin, excuse the pictures, they are old but new ones to be posted along with new info. www.hrsapplications.com/cp
richard webster


eagleii
unregistered
posted January 15, 2001 09:27 AM           
Hey Everyone,

Yeah Buddy, Family is the only way to go racin'. Or anything else for that matter. Our kids have a different agenda than me and my love bride of 26 yrs, except on race night. Then here come the usual Eagle Chassis Parade to the track. Sometimes I think that if it weren't for my family and the number of pit passes we buy, the track would fold.

I agree with AwkwardJeff that 99.9% of all racers are hard working, decent, family people. I personally, in all the years that I have raced (since '68), I have NEVER met anyone that I wouldn't race with. I have seen some young "gladiators" out there who think bump and run is good. But, I always said that they would outgrow it. The ones I know, have out grown it and are really good people. Age makes a real different. I know, I'm 47 and, believe it or not, I used to be young, too.

Every body have a wonderful day.

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EagleII


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