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powercar821111
Member
posted September 05, 2000 12:05 AM
If anybody has run a MONOLEAF car and now runs a three link, could you tell me which you like better and why. What are some problems with the mono's? What are good things about three-link? I'm converting and I need some good ideas about three-link or actually ideas on any type of suspension would help. Thank you.


Hammer 1
Member
posted September 06, 2000 05:24 PM
Actually, in my opinion you are making a mistake junking the mono's and going to a three link. Although most people will tell you monoleaf's went out with the horse and buggy, fact of the matter is they are an awesome rear suspension on a modified. They might not be state of the art technology in late model terms, however on a high horsepower, small tire deal like a modified they work great. Throw in a dry slick racetrack and their even better. They do take a whole lotta work to keep everything smooth and free but it pays dividends. My car is a mono/coil car and I couldn't be happier with it. It get's snickered and sneered at by the 4 bar and swing arm guys as being from the stone age, but the proof is in 7 wins at 4 tracks, 10 seconds, leading state UMP points,top 70 UMP national points.


PEDDLER
Member
posted September 06, 2000 06:43 PM
I feel that whatever you are comfortable with is the best.If everyone else jumped off of a moutain, would you?


36k
Member
posted September 15, 2000 04:13 PM
If any one suspension was the best then you know as well as I do EVERYBODY would be on that setup. All I can say is leaf spring cars spank the the 2 link guys on the slick topsoil we race on. It may be different on other tracks in other parts of the country but fact is there are several guys converting their 4 bar and swing arm cars back to leafs because of our CONSISTANCY. The leading feature winner in this area is on a 4 bar and has 2 more wins than me but he's not even close to my 11 seconds. The monos take a whole bunch of work each week to maintain and we do replace them every 5 races at 100 bucks a set but how many guys worry about that same 100 bucks when it comes to bolting on a new right rear every 1 or 2 races because it's what you need to win


jammin
Administrator
posted September 15, 2000 08:22 PM
I am going to jump in here on this one.....Hammer, knowledge in what you are doing is everything in our sport. The reason the consistency for the leaf cars is because the surrounding competition is generally inconsistent in their cars. The monoleaf cars are consistent, but they are slow. There is no way in the world to make a Mono Leaf car faster than a linked car (IF) the person working on the linked car knows what they are doing and can get close to a setup. You can not manipulate dynamic distribution of a car with Leafs....period. The nature of the springs and setup will not allow it. Rear Steer.....very little. It basically takes all the variables out of the setup and you have a basic, static setup. But, if everyone else around you is missing a setup, then it may be possible to see that a leaf car could go to the front. But how many times does this happen. If the link cars are not correctly set up or have incorrect geometry, you could take a station wagon and outrun them. We are down in the south....seen many dry slick tracks and very few mono cars do very well here. The reason people stay with these cars is it is what they know. Simple to setup and doesn't change. But these cars are behind in the times. You can find these cars laying out in fields all over this state. So if your comparing apples to apples...there is no comparison whatsoever.

My two cents.

36k
Member
posted September 15, 2000 10:21 PM
sorry jammin, can't agree with you here. seen lots of monos and multi leafs do good even when others were setup good. Watch the Buzzard cars down here in Daytona speedweeks every year. They come from back of heats to win on a wet track. then fly in feature on a hard track. And do it night after night. Not just when others don't have a good setup on there cars. I have run mono's for 5 years and won lots of races and a championship against lots of 4 bar and swing arm cars. They sure weren't OFF all season. Won heat races at speedweeks against some of the best in country. They sure were not off those nights. Just good close racing. If those winning now on other suspensions went back to leafs, they still would be winning all the races. Because they are good and know how to get a car setup and drive it. Just a monkey see, monkey do attitude and leafs are out of popularity right now. I am going to swing arm myself next year just for the change of pace and the challenge of it. So I am not closed minded to any one suspension. Some of all types run up front and some of all types run in the back. It's the chassis setup and driver that wins races. That's why I stay in the mods.


MOD#11
unregistered
posted September 17, 2000 11:14 AM           
36K,you have a cheap simple set-up now,if you go to mono be ready to spend on springs regularly.If you are not happy with what you have then you just havent hit the set-up right,what I have found is if you stray from chassis builders set-up it makes for long nights,unless you built your own chassis and then sometimes you never quite know what to expect.What brand do you have now? p.s.I know Mark and he could still be running mono,but choses not to because he likes the car better in its current configuration.He races in Iowa quite a bit if you ever get a chance to look at it,you cannot find a more simple spring set-up.

[This message has been edited by MOD#11 (edited September 17, 2000).]

Hammer 1
Member
posted September 17, 2000 06:47 PM
Hey Jammin. Howz come Bloomquist is winning HAT races now with a by-gone era leaf car? Guess all those unknowledgable racers on that tour missed the setup huh?


MOD#11
unregistered
posted September 17, 2000 07:26 PM           
HAMMER1,this is a modified site and a car with huge ,soft tires and a big rear spoiler is not what we are talking about or even want to talk about for that matter.lets stick with UMP or IMCA style modifieds.


jammin
Administrator
posted September 17, 2000 09:23 PM
I think that the Mono cars are a good way to get around a setup, yes. It will take most of the dynamic weight distribution out of the car. This will allow a driver to set a car up statically and allow it to stay this way, yes, but in most cases, I want my cars to be able to act the way I want them to dynamically, not the way the leaf springs want them to. There are some ways around some of the setup, and it may be simple, just not my cup of tea. This would be just as if you mounted your springs on top of your rear end in buckets. There is no dynamic raise or lower in the springs, so it is simple. But is it truely faster? You can set these up the same way, statically, and expect exact results, but there are many situations where I think dynamic weight distribution is a must to make a car work well.


I don't think that every car Bloomer has is a leaf...well....anyway.

This is my 2 cents.

36k
Member
posted September 17, 2000 09:26 PM
Hey Mod 11. thanks for explaining the difference between a late model and a modified... Here all this time I thought it was only they had fenders and we didn't. Now I'll know what to look for the next time we go racing.


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