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baxracer
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posted July 29, 2003 01:37 AM  
What is your opinion? SHOULD, or SHOULDN'T Toyota be allowed to race in the NASCAR series?

b4racing
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posted July 29, 2003 11:14 AM  
Sure, Here is my reasoning Toyota might be owned over sea's but they do have manufacturing plants over here. Ford and chevy etc are made some here but also in Canada Mexico and god knows where else. That is just my .02 BObby

RowdyRacer
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posted August 03, 2003 03:37 PM  
I am not so sure that I agree. NASCAR has its roots firmly planted in the good USA and now that the gap has been crossed it opens up the door for other foriegn auto makers to try to make their mark in NASCAR history. I am a firm supporter of tradition, and bringing foreign auto companies in this sport surely goes against tradition. I just don't think its right and if I had my way this would not even be an issue because the topic would have never even came up. America is America and that is who we are and that is what NASCAR is, and I see no reason to change that.

baxracer
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posted August 03, 2003 10:31 PM  
i agree with you rowdyracer. This is an american sport, it always has been and should always stay that way. i wrote this topic here because i was reading an artical @ autoracingdaily.com about how Toyota hopes to get a truck into nascar by the 2004 season, and then a car into nascar by 2007. the artical went on to explain the theory of, " the toyota domino effect."

in theory, toyota would use so much $ to sponsor their car/truck that they would max out on all the best equipment and latest technologies to help put there sponsored race cars in front of the pack. Because of this, present nascar drivers would have to ask for more 2 and 3 times as much $ from their sponsors just to keep up with toyota. (this is where the downfall happens.) nascar sponsors would be asked to put out so much $ that you would then begin to see many more sponsors dropping out of nascar. hense "the toyota domino effect."

so i just wanted to know every ones opinion on this?

jay116
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posted August 03, 2003 11:36 PM  
I really don't see a problem with Toyota racing in the Truck series... after all, no-one is up in arms about Dodge racing trucks or cars, and they're now a German company.
Truth be known, I'd like to go back to the old days when racecars came from the showroom-to the shop-to the track. Of course Ford would have to run a 4-door Taurus, and everything would be front-wheel drive.

baxracer
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posted August 06, 2003 09:49 PM  
That's a good idea. i would like to see some old school racing myself.

dirtracer7
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posted August 16, 2003 12:13 AM  
Don't know what to think about a rice burner in the cup.Its away to try and boost sales. there ain't very many toyota full size trucks around here since they came out .Let them in and they will find out like dodge did on there return that nascar is a tough place. Hey pop gm was running front wheel drive for many years like olds cutlass , chevy lumina, grand prix ,and buick regal

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FastEddy
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posted August 28, 2003 12:31 AM  
I went an IRC event a few months ago and the toyota engine was strong there! As a matter of fact it won. Be on the lookout!

jay116
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posted October 05, 2003 10:10 PM  
The only reason that I can see people wouldn't want Yota's in NASCAR is because they are afraid of the challenge. I say bring it on, if they think they have what it takes to run with NASCAR, cool. They sure are fast in the Champ Cars....

#13 mod
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posted October 07, 2003 06:42 PM  
The only reason that I can see people wouldn't want Yota's in NASCAR is because they are afraid of the challenge. I say bring it on, if they think they have what it takes to run with NASCAR, cool. They sure are fast in the Champ Cars....

outlawstock17
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posted October 09, 2003 09:49 PM  
jay116, winston cup cars use a complete tubular front suspension based on a '65 ford and the rear suspension is based on an early chevrolet truck, hence the term "truck arms".

i have no problem with toyota in NASCAR. NASCAR will bend the rules to allow them to be competitive and if they start dominating, NASCAR will take something away from them or give something to the other makes.....that's the NASCAR way and who could argue with it? it's the best series going.

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jay116
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posted October 09, 2003 10:22 PM  
LOVE TO SEE TOYOTA SPANK THEM. IT WILL BRING MORE VEIWERS AND ATTENTION BACK TO RACING. THAT MAY GET MORE CARS TO ALL THE TRACKS OUT THERE TO KEEP OUR SPORT ALIVE. ISN'T THAT WHAT REALLY MATTERS.

Eljojo
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posted November 22, 2003 08:29 PM  
I just hope they have about the same pitch to their exhaust sound as the others...I wouldn't want my Sunday naps distupted by a Toyota! NAPCAR booooooooooooooooooooooring
Gime some Satdynite bullring and I'll show ya some racing!

outlawstock17
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posted November 23, 2003 12:31 AM  
another thing to add to this thread......most toyotas sold in the USA are built in the USA, including the T-100, so it's not really like a foreign invader to the series. bill davis racing will field toyotas as well as some other teams. this is the next step in the evolution of NASCAR and i believe it's a positive one.

midmod34
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posted November 23, 2003 09:50 AM  
Toyota has already announced that it will buy all of its bodies from ford, so how much of an advantage can they have nascar will dyno there motors and they will be in the same catagory as all the others. Gotta luv cookie cutter racing, long live the local tracks and the motivaion to innovate to do the best that you can with what you got.

dirt poor racing
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posted December 10, 2003 08:19 AM  
i am aginst it! i also think they need to go back to racing like it used to be mashhhh the gas or get out of the way...

ratracer10
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posted December 10, 2003 11:31 AM  
The manufactures race means nothing in NASCAR anymore. All it amounts to is a different sticker on a template car each with their race shop built engines.

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RC Racing
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posted December 10, 2003 03:25 PM  
rat, I tend to agree with you on that point.

Furthermore,I just wonder how much longer the big 3 (Dodge, Ford, GM) will continue to fund the teams once it gets to the point that they're all basically identical.

jay116
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posted December 10, 2003 05:06 PM  
Why do ya'll think that every style of racing that Toyota is in, they ALWAYS run up front? It's Because they probably have more $$$ than Ford, Dodge, and GM have combined. They can affored to buy the "Top Notch Best" of everything. Where does that leave the Big 3? Ford Dodge and GM are going to have to step up and put out more $$ to even be competitive with Toyota.

I think in the near future, we will start to see more toyota sponsored trucks than any of the other big 3. Only because the cost to compete with Toyota will be so high that the other companies will only be able to support a few drivers.


dirtrace
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posted December 17, 2003 09:19 PM           send a private message to baxracer   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
Until Toyota tosses out enough cash for a "top notch driver" good luck to them...the drivers they do have may surprise us though, toyota has proven in the past in other series they have no limit on what they will spend.. If they called me to drive a tundra I wouldnt turn them down!!!


Now if they can get a top notch team, yates, hendrick, dei, rcr,penske to run toyotas in cup, that will be different, that could be domination.


dirtracer7
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posted December 26, 2003 08:40 AM  
i DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BODIES BUT CHEVY NEEDED SOME MOTR FOR A RACING SERIES and didn't have enough so ford loaned or sold cosworth motors to them which they put there markings on.It sounds like the cosworth ford ,chevy, or mercedes all come out uf the same mold.

dirtrace54
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posted January 08, 2004 12:06 AM  
I dont know where anyone is get there information on the money toyota has, but GM (according to Forbes and Fortune 500 articles) is the largest car manufactor in the world, overall. And if anyone has every watched speedvision, that were having a talk a few weeks back about the money factor. Dodge's factory support of their teams is about 15 times better than ford or chevy. Toyota boasts to do the same. The teams are going after the factory support for better parts and less expense. I am a DIE HARD bowtie fan, and prefferably wont race anything but a chevy. Even though GM has more money than the rest, doesn't mean they will dump it into racing support.

Just like the dodge and sometimes ford commercials say the are the leading truck seller, has anyone takin into the fact that both split gmc and chevy into two catagories. When they do that the probably due sell more trucks, but when combined chevrolet has not been out sold in years.

You have to read the fine print sometimes.

Ford has been racing in europe for years so let toyota come, nissan will probably be next with their new full-sixe debut this year. More competition. More money for racing and the sport will go bigger. Your die hards will always be there, and new fans will show up. It has already been proven in drag racing.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. Sorry if I did.

IowaFuzzy1
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posted February 11, 2004 11:12 PM  
Hey!! Let'um run that's what racing is all about.Look under the hood of a new caviler and a new camrey ,Looks like the same engine to me!! If we could run a toyota v8 in our mod I'd try it and my red blood cells are bowties.

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racerwilson
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posted March 18, 2004 09:10 PM  
I just want to know how I can get one of those Toyota engines for my racer?

sixwillwin
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posted March 19, 2004 08:38 AM  
let em run, NASCAR is boring the last few years!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Am i the only one that remembers bias ply tires, NO shock dynos or engineeers and sliding thru the corners?? Nascar to me has bypassed the common man and has just turned into another rich mans sport. It almost a spec car series anyway, who cares what the nameplate says. When the teams are getting $10M- $15M from their major sponsors, no wonder they cant get 43 cars to run, just a few years ago 55 - 60 cars were showing up to compete. In the late 80s they were still a few OPEN trailers in the pits at NASCAR races, imagine that!

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19J
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posted March 19, 2004 09:13 PM  
One thing some of you forgot. Yeh Yota might be over seas and all but some are made in the US and GM owns yota. If they join mazda might join. You never know. I think it should stay Dodge Ford Chevy. 2 Reasons. 1. thats what it was back in the day its roots 2. no matter what NASCAR does someones *****ing. Ford has the new head but yet magically a ford won the points kinda funny? Matt is good but obviously he didnt need that new head to win. And now that he has it look what he is doing. I think they should just keep it as is. Dodge coming in took alot of stuff. Some can run good some cant.

IowaFuzzy1
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posted March 20, 2004 01:51 AM  
Not that this really counts ,but I see on TV here in Iowa that the Indians are giving away Toyotas at the casino. So how much more American can you get??? Just thought I'd throw that in.....LOVE this site!!!

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USAUS Racing
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posted March 27, 2004 07:27 AM  
Why shouldn't they?? I mean to say for a series that calls itself stock cars the is only two panels on those cars that really is stock. **** park a NASCAR car alongside its road brethen and start counting the differences.

Not only should other manufacturers be allowed to enter vehicles but lest get them bakc to vehicles that can be driven off the showroom floor. Maybe that willput some interest back into it..

kyuss71
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posted April 08, 2004 09:05 PM  
What has happened to the "great american race" that started on the beaches of Daytona. Money & Politics. They should leave that on capitol hill & let people go race for the same reason it all started. It seems that this has turned into a scheme to make pockets deeper with advertising & the real meaning of winning a race has been lost. Winning should be measured in pride, not money. Tom

Ron1976
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posted April 22, 2004 09:03 AM  
i think that toyota shoud go start there own racing some where else and stay out of nascar

Dargertracin
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posted June 30, 2004 06:25 PM  
I know this topic is old but I'm so here is my 2 cents. !st I thought the engine blocks heads etc had to a factory part or something like that. ie Chevy uses the same basic block configuration of a 350. The yota is nowhere near the sameas the one that comes from the factory. Its 100% race stuff and you can't get one in your truck. Correct me if I'm wrong

stic8
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posted June 30, 2004 08:30 PM  
it should be a good thing it adds to the competion as long as they dont want special favors but what motor do they have?

baxracer
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posted July 01, 2004 10:13 AM  
Come on guys! I think Kyuss71 hit it right on the money. It's not about racing anymore, or the drivers. It's about how much money the advertisers can put in their back pockets. If putting a pinto in the race would a attract more people, I believe that they would do it. I think racing has seen it's better days...when it wasn't as popular as it is now. Now you have new management who is trying to please everybody...I believe the right thing would be, being polically correct, and it ***** . Let the "Great American Race" be Great again.

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posted July 01, 2004 05:45 PM           send a private message to baxracer   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
I don't care how many cars or trucks are built here, the profits still go to Japan and help their economy.

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