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jammin
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posted October 30, 2001 10:10 PM  
enforce the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sideways
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posted November 01, 2001 08:28 AM  
Ditto on that wildcat4257!!!!!!!!!!!!!And get the show going what takes so long?Whats with the lower classes packing the track all the time?I think they ought to switch off,I dint build my car to pack the track if I did I would have used bigger tires.LOL

jammin
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posted November 03, 2001 03:22 PM  
well said jammin......i say pay what the purse....dont cut it because of whatever reason....if you dont have enough money to pay the purse when you open the gate...........dont open the gate.

alien
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 30
posted November 14, 2001 07:34 PM  
first ENFORCE the rules then think about putting an end to straight up starts how about inversion by points oughtta be interesting at least

phelps
Dirt Full Roller

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posted November 14, 2001 08:39 PM  
Our track inverts according to points.Works pretty well, maybe even better if the rules where enforced!

dirtracers
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 74
posted November 25, 2001 12:55 AM  
I think all tracks should pay better and they should keep the tracks in good condition
because one of my local tracks has ruts big enough to hide your car in and everybody is always blowing out tires

poboy2
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 219
posted November 25, 2001 09:50 AM  
Glorify your track. Get good announcers that get people fired up! Have extra play days. Have winter banquets. Make the tracks look nice. Driver introductions. Make each week something special, even if it is just for one class a week. Give people a reason to come back next week and see a different show instead of the same ole thing. I could set here and come up with things all day long. So why can't the owners and promoters? All you really have to have is a real passion for racing......Anyone need a promotor????LOL

chevyscrounger
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted December 04, 2001 10:17 AM  
The track owner here is just in it for the money. The pits ain't good for nothing but twistin ankles because of the ruts.The track has just as many ruts as the pits.When someone needs to see the rules theres none to be found. The websites always a month behind the real world but there is nothing on it helpful anyway not even rules! they change the rules for who ever bring the best cheering section. This season they raised admission from $15 to $16 claiming to give the drivers more money. I don't think that happend.We went to a track last year to race and it spoiled us. It had pits where you could walk with your eyes closed and not fall down! That track is to far away to go to every friday night.Wanna start a worst track contest because I think I could win it!

PEDDLER
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posted December 04, 2001 06:42 PM  
D-FW area has already gone to 25.00 pit admission. I look for our local track to follow suit next year. They really don't care if their is anyone in the stands or not as at this rate, we the racers are paying our own purse [for what it is].

Track for the most part is fair, about an 7.5

Pits are about a 7 .

Payout about a 6. average for this area.

Stand admission $9.00

Rule enforcement about a 5.

Flags [rough driving] about a 3.

The Peddler

ford5
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posted December 05, 2001 07:39 AM  
Hey, you guys must be racin the same tracks i do!!!!!!!!! DOES IT EVER CHANGE? LOL

dirttracker98
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posted December 28, 2001 03:13 AM  
I know it's been awhile sence anybodies posted here but I sure don't like the new rules changes made at our track to give the racers from another track that went under an unfair advantage against the loyal racers who have supported the track in the past years.I feel they should have to meet our rules,not us be punished to give them a place to race.whats really bad is it ain't just 1 class it is 3.in the words of Earl Pitts "it makes me sick"!!!

SpeedRush
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 28, 2001 10:30 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by chevyscrounger:
The track owner here is just in it for the money. The pits ain't good for nothing but twistin ankles because of the ruts.The track has just as many ruts as the pits.When someone needs to see the rules theres none to be found. The websites always a month behind the real world but there is nothing on it helpful anyway not even rules! they change the rules for who ever bring the best cheering section. This season they raised admission from $15 to $16 claiming to give the drivers more money. I don't think that happend.We went to a track last year to race and it spoiled us. It had pits where you could walk with your eyes closed and not fall down! That track is to far away to go to every friday night.Wanna start a worst track contest because I think I could win it!

You hit it on the head! 100% Correct this applies to a lot of tracks I can think of off the top of my head. As soon as I pull in the gates the rules are changed against me.....j/j It's very much like what you said at several tracks around the south.


cmiller51
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posted December 28, 2001 11:37 AM  
I look at just about everything with a business point of view in mind. I have heard people on both sides of the fence. Racers always want more money, and Promoter always want more cars.

If you look at what a promoter has to do to run a good size track as far as expenses are concerned, its quite a bit. Labor, equipment, utilities, advertisement, and driver pay-out.

Sure, they get their revenues from several places like concessions, pit passes, and tickets, BUT if it's a huge money maker, I think we would have more tracks than we have now..

Make a deal with the promoter-- Help reduce expenses as far as the track is concerned, to increase driver payout..?? Remember, to increase spending you MUST increase revenue or reduce costs...

dirttracker98
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posted January 03, 2002 12:06 PM  
Most promoters and poloticians are just alike,whenever their mouths are moving they are telling a LIE!!

21L
Dirt Roller

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posted January 07, 2002 11:51 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by phelps:
Our track inverts according to points.Works pretty well, maybe even better if the rules where enforced!

This is what our local track did last season, They had a fan from the stands come down on the front stretch and roll a big dice at intermission, If it came up a 1, then we started straight up, a 2 would invert the front 2 rows and so on. Different, but interesting.

Roadhzrd
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posted January 08, 2002 02:07 AM  
I like the dice idea, I bet the fans like it too. This year instead of giving a Harley to the race winner of thier big LM race, they're giving one to a lucky fan too. You get a chance ticket with admission and one when you buy a 50/50 ticket too. Should help out the point fund a good bit.

wildcat4257
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posted January 08, 2002 05:09 PM  
i wish our track would get a P&G machine. tired of running against those BIG moters. ( we have a cc rule)

wkramer
Dirt Full Roller

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posted January 19, 2002 04:44 PM  
our track inverts points and yes it is a good show however it ***** when you are 1st or 2nd in the points and some guy that only comes out a few times a year with an ill handling car wrecks 2 or 3 top runners . just because he starts on the pole every time he shows up. and then there's your yearly sand bagger he uses the first few races as his test and tune. he finishes last the first few weeks and then starts up front for the rest of the year. then not only do you have to navigate the junk that started in front of you you also get to try and run down a very good car that should have started in the back with you.

dirttracker98
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posted January 19, 2002 04:58 PM  
It has always been stated that the "BEST" short track racing you will ever see comes at tracks where the fastest cars start in the back,in all the races,that way the fans will get the "BEST"show,because the fastest cars will have to "work the traffic"to get to the front,and not get out front and play "hide & seek"!!! Whats your opinion??? some will be happy some will be mad some will be sick Have a good day!!!

[This message has been edited by dirttracker98 (edited January 19, 2002).]

4barrel
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posted January 27, 2002 06:34 PM  
I would like track owners and or promotors to know just how much rule changes cost the racer-car owner as several racers have garages full of rule changes.

wkramer
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 37
posted January 28, 2002 05:36 PM  
hey dirttracker98 you,re right its a great show. however the word you used that does not fit is fastest. the most consistant cars start at the back when you invert points. i know this is how it is and how it is going to stay. i think that they should use a rule that would start last weeks winner shotgun on the field. that way the fast cars that sand bagged get a taste of the back.

Machinah
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 79
posted February 05, 2002 05:54 PM  
Now I have to adjust my opinion of our hometown track. I used to call it a little rough, but after reading these comments it now seems smooth as glass. The black flag has come out more last season than in recent years, but they let you get a little rough so long as your not really endangering anyone or obviously bumping on purpose. The facilities are ugly and outdated, but the new ownership has promised to change this. We've just had an increase in A-Main Street Stock (my class) winnings, $10 to start, $20 to finish, $300 to win (I didn't pay much attention to what 2nd & 3rd get). The pit passes have not changed from $20 last year, and if you have purchased a $45 pit membership, the passes are only $15. The rules are also not inforced as they should be, but I have to say now that our track must be above average at the least for a smaller community. Other nearby tracks are either worse or asphalt. I don't think I'll complain as loud as I used to.

#28
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posted February 22, 2002 08:45 AM  
The tracks around here have gotten so out of hand that a local racer has taken it upon himself to build a track and hopefully do it right. I hope the others will wake up rather than lay down.

ARMallardSlayer
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posted July 11, 2005 07:22 AM  
Stop the favoritism, get rid of the grudge toting/attitude having, flagman....keep the track up...

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leapinlizard
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posted July 22, 2005 08:33 AM  
Why do racers continue t og ot otracks that treat you like so?

Stop going and it get better or get over. I' might be lucky but I've got 5 tracks within decent driving distance. I won't put up with track promotors ****. A track I did go to earlier this year now has a reguler 6 mods and 9 B-mods with 11 street stocks. And about 7 spectators. How long you think it'll last?


powerglides
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posted July 22, 2005 09:36 AM  
why is it that one track flourishes and the next flounders? the 5 S's

Show, keep it around 3 hours, make it family oriented, have a "special" ticket promotoin every week, entertain the fans from the time they get there to the time they leave, kids activities, clown, drawings, treasure hunts, trivia contests, driver autographs, interviews, take a few kids into the pits every week to meet thier favorite driver.

Surface, give the racers something to race on, not an axle breaker plowed field every week.

$hithouses, if the ladies room smells like and looks like an outhouse, would your mom want to use it?

Smiles, every employee should be cheerfull and helpfull, especially the promoter (just like walmart)

Sell, make sure as many people as possible know about your track, advertise outside the trade papers, give passes away at school, church, masons, loins club, rotary club, moose club, boy scouts, girl scouts, ymca, those seats are free buit the burgers are not. send results out to all local papers every week, invite all the sports news people to the track and stroke thier egos while they are there by making a big deal out of it, stage a media race,

IowaFuzzy1
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posted July 22, 2005 10:46 PM  
A lot of good ideas and complaints here but one I haven't seen that Really bothers me.How about wrecker operators that actually know what they are doing.Track we raced at last year had three wreckers but only one knew what he was doing.One track we race at this year has two wreckers and two push vehicles but it takes forever to clean up a wreck.Another track has a wrecker and a rollback but no one knows how to run them!!

racer17j
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posted July 23, 2005 08:37 PM  
$40 dollars for each pit member!!!!!
Last week we (modifieds)had to pack 3 times.It took 1 1/2 hours to pack the track and at 10:00 is was bone dry and dusty. GET DIRT WITH CLAY IN IT!!! Every other track in the area has it. Oh ya IMCA rules means NO ROLLER CAMS. We had a guy win a main and during tech they found a roller. The head official said that the car count was low, so he gave him the win.

[This message has been edited by dirttruck75 (edited July 28, 2005).]

Mikey14
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posted August 22, 2005 12:25 PM  
Our track inverts not by points though. The top 12 finishers the week before invert so if you won last week you are 6th row outside at worst depending on who made it into the A from the heats. SO if you finish 11 or 12th and qualify for the A from the heats (not the B) then you are on the pole next week. Our classes always run a B, One class has around 40 cars per week in.

nyracer77
Dirt Roller

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posted November 08, 2005 07:01 AM  
Our tracks line up by qualified cars usually 6 per heat fo a total of 10-12 cars. those are inverted by money won previous 3 weeks. People who have not been there, missed weeks or had DNS are considered as winning the previous 3 weeks. So they can't skip a week and start on the pole. Usually makes for great racing. you usually don't have (for the lack of a better word) "junk" starting up front. (I know there are actually NO race cars that are junk)

Shess71
Dirt Roller

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posted November 08, 2005 05:17 PM  
i'll tell what burns my a$$ is when you have a promotor that is tech man driver slash master engine builder that can hear how big your cam is after you win a race beating him of course that why we drive the extra 50 miles to go race but yet people still will race for him

orange2mod
Dirt Maniac

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posted November 24, 2005 09:07 AM  
Out here we have a big wheel with invert numbers on it that is spun after qualifying. Seems to work. Last weeks winner starts next after the invert.

donald2
Dirt Newbie

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posted November 26, 2005 04:35 PM  
can anyone tell me where i can go to get a copy of the rules for factory stock and super stock the guidelines on the car


mansfief
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posted December 07, 2005 01:24 PM  
Rules for Factory Stock at Batesville AK, Westplains MO, Lebanon MO, Wheatland MO, and Lake Ozark have almost the same rules. You can find their web site on Google search.

nice_guy_wi
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posted December 08, 2005 09:10 PM  
My gripes would be rules enforcement and the invert. Our track inverts the top 10 by "average points per night for the year". With last weeks winner starting 10th.Which sounds great, as it would put the better, faster, more consistant cars deeper in the pack. The flaw they have is.....if you break in the heat and can't run the feature, the night still counts and you get to add a nice big ZERO into the average. I say only count the night in the average if you start the feature. Needless to say, last years points champ and the #3 points guy broke in the heats the first week. And both managed a second heat break down about mid season. So they started in the front every week in the heat races. And traded back and forth winning the features and starting 10th. They managed to win 13 out of 20 races I think.

LAWEST
Dirt Full Roller

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posted December 11, 2005 07:18 PM  
Dear Mr. Promoter,
1. Get an IMCA sanction
2. Get a real water truck
3. Get 3-4 clunkers with fat tires to roll the track.
4. Enforce the rules!!!!

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