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longracing25
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posted January 02, 2005 10:29 AM  

 
Do these really work on tubing? The business says they do. They have these for $59...

longracing25
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posted January 02, 2005 08:06 PM  
I was wondering...because the dies have flat surfaces NOT a grooved surface to conform top the shape of the tubing. I can see how it would work great on flat stock. Anybody use one of these?

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted January 02, 2005 08:12 PM  
I have one of those benders and its a flat stock or solid cold rolled round bender only not for tubing.

longracing25
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posted January 02, 2005 08:29 PM  
I figured that idiot was lying to me. "Sure" it bends race car tubing..

Ego Racing
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posted January 19, 2005 05:17 PM  
I have one with the dies for tubing.(ONLY UP TO 1 INCH) I would like to meat the person who could bend 1 1/2-1 3/4 inch tubing in one as I bent the handle bending 1 inch tubing and it took about 8 times the effort of my Pro Tools bender does on 1 3/4 tube.

longracing25
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posted January 19, 2005 06:49 PM  
it was some guy/company selling those on ebay as TUBING/pipe benders. I emailed him when i noticed the dies looked like they had a flat surface(flat stock bending) and not a curved surface to "hug" the tubing OR even pipes. He said "of course it bends tubing"....just proves you gotta have friends like the ones on here for helping out...THANKS EVERYBODY!

hobby10k
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posted January 20, 2005 06:11 AM  
Hey I am looking for a cheap manual tubing bender. I see some for like $800!! is there any good ones out there for cheaper?

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Champ2x36
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posted January 20, 2005 12:17 PM  
hobby10k,

These links are for lower priced tubing benders. I just got one from Allstar Performance, but they are all basically the same. If I remember correctly, I paid something like $420 for mine. These links are all for basically the same bender.

Thay aren't fancy, or as fast as the higher priced benders, but if you're just building for yourself or some friends they do a good job. I haven't used mine yet, but friends have 'em, and they use it for some really nice cages. That's why I bought mine. There are extra dies available so you can do different sizes of tubing without buying a whole new bender.
http://www.lowbucktools.com/hydbender.html


http://www.allstar-performance.com/product.htm?prod=58&part=ALL10300 I got mine here, it's $429.99 right now (+shipping).


www.speedwaymotors.com also has one on their site, but I can't get it into this message and the link for the page to work, but if you go to their site, click on tools, it shows their bender (basically the same bender as the other 2 shown here.

I like this bender because it doen't take up much room in my garage, and doesn't have to be mounted to the floor or a very sturdy bench of some kind to use. I'll just get it out when I want to use it, then put it away when I'm done with it. Really doesn't take much room this way.


Hope this helps,

Ed

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Champ2x36
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posted January 31, 2005 01:06 PM  
Hobby10k,

Did you buy any bender yet? Just wonderin'. (You can call it nosy! LOL)

Ed

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nailngoracing
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posted February 10, 2005 08:24 PM  
find a tree...a torch and maybe a hammer!

marshalr
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posted March 10, 2005 07:14 AM  
I use a harbor freight manual piece.
I've learned the trick is to go slow and spread your bend over a bigger area. Remember you are stretching the outside of the tube and compressing the inside .
i make a mark of where i want the center of my bend. Then three marks at 1-1/2" to 2" on either side of my center. Seven marks total.
I start in the center, give it two pumps at each mark going away from center, then repeat so that you sneak up on your bend. As you get closer to 90 degrees you be putting one stroke on the outer marks 2 strokes on the center.
Tube is expensive so this saves on wasted material. i use a piece of welding rod or coat hanger to model my bend for me.

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Ego Racing
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posted March 10, 2005 08:48 PM  
The Harbor Freight units are for pipe and not for tubing. Tubing benders are manderal benders where the Pipe benders are crush type benders. Tubing benders fit the tubing and streach the outside of the bend. A crush type bender just pushes the tubing into place and can cause thin spots in the tubing.
The Pro Tools or the US tools units are nice peices and they are about $700 for one with a set of dies. The one lowbuck sells with the jack is easy and a space saver.

zeroracing
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posted March 11, 2005 08:36 AM  
I am looking at a pro tools hydrolic one shot bender. anybody got one of these? I am going to be building more than one car a year(like 3-5) so i dont really want to be sitting there with a hand pump all day. anybody have one of these benders?

snowman
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posted March 11, 2005 11:55 AM  
I think you would be better off in the long run to buy a Hossfeld........Long story, short version, it makes BETTER bends....And does it much faster and easier......also easier to make repetitive bends.....

I bought a Pro Tools 105 mechanical bender before I got my Hossfeld......The 105 makes what I would consider "good" bends.... They also sent a promo video about thier products.......

The video showed a demonstration of the various benders.......Now, I don't remember EXACTY which bender it was.......but one of them wrinkled the tube badly.....I think it was the one shot that you are considering.......Whether or not it was the one shot or the hand pump one that made the wrinkles, They both bend the same way..........Which is different from the way that the 105 works.........

Good Luck,
snowman

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted March 11, 2005 02:48 PM  
I will second a Hossfeld as well. Better bender overall and better for repetitive bends. My second choice would be a Mitler Brothers.

rickbraley
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posted March 24, 2005 06:55 AM  
Ok guys, I am ready to buy a tubing bender. I have one of those Cummins Tools "pipe" benders and I can't bend anywhere near a 6" or 7" radius with 1.25" mild steel tube without crimping the tube. I've had enough!

So, I have looked at both the links to the budget benders and the Hossfeld and am not sure which way to go. I want to be able to make "good" (i.e. no crimping, flat spots, etc) on 1" to 2" OD tubing from 10 to 20 gauge mild steel, DOM, or chrome moly tube but I don't do this for a living and can accept less than perfect bends. I suspect anything will look better than the **** the Cummins bender gives me!

Has anyone actually used the Speedway bender? Will it do what I need?

On the Hossfeld, it actually looks less effective than the Speedway bender? This may be my lack of knowledge on benders but it just looks more difficult to use. Is it considered industrial grade? Any info on pricing? Their website doesn't seem to list any prices?

I want to buy something descent that will last me forever. I will spend the extra money if it is worth it.

Any additional insight would be appreciated!!

Thanks.

Go_go_Gadget
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posted March 24, 2005 11:06 PM  
Medford tools has a tubing bender. does anyone know how it compares to the Hossfeld bender? I'm leaning toward the model 3 bender from medford tools.

snowman
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posted March 25, 2005 06:02 PM  
Where to start??? Which ever bender one considers, Look at it and determine how the dang thing works..........Imagine this, place a 10ft tube in your vise, grab the other end and bend it to a 90 degree bend........what does the bend look like and why?? The tube is kinked flat.......WHY?

The tube bent because you applied enough force........it kinked because there was nothing to form the bend to the desired shape. Now as silly as this example may be,some benders work in the same manner as they have enough force to bend, and nothing to form the tube at the point that the bend is occurring.

The harbor freight/cummins pipe benders work in this manner.......Don't waste your money on one of these.......

The hossfeld and later semi-copies of the hossfeld work differently......The tube is formed and encapsulated completely by the dies at the point where the tube is being bent........

There are several brands of mechanical benders that are similar to the Hossfeld in the way they work.......Pro-tools, U.S.Tool, and JDsquared......(the JD2 is the one Medford sells)........ All of these benders make pretty good bends.......and are much more economical than the Hossfeld......Any of these will work well for the hobbist.....or for bending rub rails and bumpers........occasional roll cage.......

Next down on the list as far as quality of bends go.....would be the Speedway type others have already listed.......Thier quality of bend is less because the tube is not as encapsulated at the point of bend......what serves as a "drawblock" on this type is quite a distance from point of bend.......But most guys who have one are satisfied with the result.........

Next down on the list would be.......well, forget anything less...........lol

The Hossfeld is really the only way to go for anyone who is going to do alot of bending......The mechanical benders listed above require you to strap,bolt,place and remove dies to make a bend or get the tube out after a bend.......time consuming and a pain.......If you are in business, the hossfeld will pay for itself in time saved.....

I said in my first post that the Hossfeld makes BETTER bends.......Yet, one would not think so just by casual inspection of the dies and method of operation......as they are so similar..........

However,closer inspection would reveal the difference.......For any diameter of tube, You can not bend it 90 degrees and keep the same thickness......If you want to turn the tube 90 and the bend to remain concentric, you must "neck down" the tube.......Other wise, the outside of the bend will flatten..........The hossfeld dies neck down the tube and others do not.......

I don't claim this to be the biggest issue in the world......the bends from the other benders do not look flat......they look fine.....and they are fine......but they are flater than the hossfeld....... I suspect the other type of benders do not build thier dies this way as it requires more force to get the job done.......last thing they want.......

Final note.....whatever you buy, you can build the hydraulic system yourself and save some big bucks.........

Good Luck
snowman

racer17j
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posted March 26, 2005 08:41 AM  
Thanks for the info snowman, racer17j, and everyone else. You guys have definitely given me some good information. I feel I can actually make an intelligent decision at this point.

Istock66
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posted April 02, 2005 06:42 AM           send a private message to rickbraley   Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/QuoteBBBBBB
The bender listed by 17j is the same as mine.

I paid 900 delivered a couple years ago.

I think its still listed in the back of circle track for 699.99 + air hyd foot control 150 + shipping 60

910.00

snowman
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posted April 02, 2005 11:24 AM  
Rick, You are very welcome......Always glad to help
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I have recieved several PM's and e-mails about this.......Mostly about pricing......so for anyone still following this thread, perhaps a little more info would be helpful.......

I do understand that the cost of the Hossfeld could be considered unreasonable for hobbist use........I only reccomended it to Zero because he has said on several occasions that he intends to offer some chassis in the future.........Believe me, it will pay for itself in time saved.......And, it makes better bends.

First, Hossfeld no longer sells direct, you have to buy from a dealer........www.lowbucktools.com is one that I have used.They provide good service.......

A new Hossfeld cost about 850 list.......I think the new e-bay price is about 750......
This is for the bender ONLY.......No dies and no Hydraulics.......

You MUST have the hydraulic system to bend roll cages........obviously, this adds quite an expense over the mechanical types.....

A new Hossfeld with the hydraulic system will cost about 4000. Still no dies.......

However, it can be had much cheeper......You can sometimes find a used bender around 200......build the hydraulic system for 400-800......(just depends on what you use) Most of the parts can be bought off E-bay at a nice price.......I have about 650 in my hydraulic system....all new parts......I bought a long cylinder, I can bend past 90 in one stroke............

Not counting dies, I have about 1000 in the bender......Bender, hydraulics and steel table.......Beats the heck out of the 4000 price from hossfeld.......And, In my opinion, My system is better......Being able to bend past 90 in one shot is really handy.....Makes it much easier to keep hoops flat........

Dies are expensive......for any bender......
The hossfeld dies usually run about 25% to perhaps 1/3 higher........Not really a deal breaker there......

So, Look around....never can tell what you might dig up......

Good Luck,
snowman


tilley88
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posted April 07, 2005 02:22 PM  
I borrowed a friend's Lowbuck bender(I think Speedway copied this, or Lowbuck builds it for them) and copied it. Works great! I've built several chassis with it, and repaired a great number more. Don't try to bend tubing that is too big or small for the die, and put a small amount of WD-40 on the tube and die before bending. Of course, make sure the tubing is free of dirt and rust, too. It takes up alot less space than other benders. I've also used the JD squared bender, and it's nice piece, just too many parts to move around.

pmiracing
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posted April 07, 2005 07:16 PM  
Another thing to consider is if you are using seamed tubing to put the seam to the side of the bend (not inside or outside of bend) because the seam is hard and dosen't stretch or compress as easy, Just a thought.

Champ2x36
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posted April 11, 2005 12:17 PM  
pmiracing,

Thanks for the tip on putting the seam to the side of the bend. Makes sense to me!

Ed

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Raceman17
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posted April 28, 2005 11:44 AM  
I have the Model 1 from JD squared www.jd2.com. It works perfectly and its their first model. I think they are up to a model 3 now. I have never had a problem bending anything I put in it. No kinks or wrinkles (I have a .75", 1.25", 1.5", 1.625" and a 1.75" inch dies) and they all give great results.
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