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Rookieracer76
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posted January 02, 2003 05:13 PM  
i saw this welder on harbor frieghts http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=44567 i was wondering if this was a good welder? Will it be able to weld body pannels and sheet metal? Thanks!

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Racer14K
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posted January 03, 2003 01:44 PM  
Welding sheet metal you would best to find one that will use .023" and .030" gas or gasless wire. The welder on the link you posted looks like it only accepts .030" and .035" wire which is a little thick for sheet metal. It can be used but it is real easy to burn thru the metal.
These others would do the job better but are more expensive. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=36691 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=9011 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46716

Rookieracer76
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posted January 03, 2003 01:46 PM  
Thanks for the help!

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loojack
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posted January 04, 2003 07:33 AM  
One other thing I've found, is that flux core wire penetrates deeper than gas sheilded wire because of reverse polarity. Gas sheilding is better for thin material. Also, Ive gone through 3 low priced welders over the years, Get the best you can afford. IMHO.... loojack.

redneck bubbas racing
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posted January 06, 2003 01:57 PM  
Pass on that one. We bought one to carry to the track with us. Total junk. The metal has to be perfectly clean. Its very sensitive and will jump and spatter alot. My dad was a x-ray exam welder for pipelines and even he couldn't make it work good. Sold it at a garage sale for $10 and the guy that bought it was still mad, thought we messed him over.

tilley88
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posted January 06, 2003 02:59 PM  
Go with gas & get a good welder, don't buy cheap stuff. Check your local stores for package deals. TSC has a deal going right now for a Hobart Handler 175 for $649. That includes welder, auto-darkening helmet, regulator & cart. I bought the same deal last year and still tickled I did a year later. Awesome welder, 220 volt, gas-shielded. I had a Clark 150 for a couple years and cussed it till I got rid of it. It still sucked on gas. Do yourself a favor, get the best you can afford.

loojack
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posted January 06, 2003 03:33 PM  
I agree with Tilley88, get the best you can afford! I just got a Hobart Handler 135, works great up to around 3/16", couldn't afford the 175. Shop around, alot of good deals out there!

widebody
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posted January 06, 2003 06:56 PM  
Im with tilley88!
I bought the handler 175 and have used it for everything. bought mine at TSC also..
The best money I spent in a long time!!

They have an online web forum for all of hobarts products. lots of info there

I havnt welded aluminium with mine as of yet. I will be attempting this in a week or so..
Has anyone done Aluminium with one of these???
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tilley88
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posted January 07, 2003 05:09 AM  
Post it here, widebody! Let us know how it goes.

b4racing
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posted January 07, 2003 09:59 PM  
Go with the best you can you will not be sorry.

racer17j
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posted January 11, 2003 09:10 AM  
I also bought the hobart 175. it is a great welder for the money and they are made by miller anyway so you know the quality is excellent. also came from TSC.

gould
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posted February 06, 2003 12:49 PM  
im a poor guy and still weld with a stick welder.

[This message has been edited by jammin (edited February 06, 2003).]

chickasaw kid
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posted February 21, 2003 06:04 PM  
anybody ever hear or an ESAB welder and how the quality compares to the miller 210. they have a lot of the same features but i dont want to buy a piece of junk. the salesman said they were made in south carolina. it cost about $200.00 more than the miller but it also came with spool gun and the miller dont.

CUSTOMPERFORMANCE
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posted February 22, 2003 10:09 PM  
I currently have a Hobart 150 on 220 but plan to get a Miller Vintage welder(remake of the old Miller 200) instead of the bigger Hobart.

wingnut
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posted February 22, 2003 11:14 PM  
chickasaw, esab is a very good machine and all they make is welding,torch,plasma eqt. etc
hobart is much improved within the last 5 years,it will use the same same consumables as the miller,the mig gun will probably even say miller on it.
my choice if cost is not the issue, miller vintage, lincoln 250, esab or hobart, also the century brand at some farm stores are more than enough for a race shop, 160 amp or above, they use tweco consumables that are available everywhere. sorry for getin crazy here,but hope it helps!

mechanist
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posted February 27, 2003 11:42 PM  
Buy as much welder as you can afford.
The cheapest Lincoln, Hobart, Esab, will outweld the really cheap dedicated gasless welders any day of the week. I've used or demo'ed all these. I run a lincoln 255 at home. In the shop,it's like my right arm.

When you buy, try to get one that has the gas solenoid already installed, then run what you want, either flux core or gas shielded wire. If you ever want to upgrade to gas shield and solid wire it is much cheaper to do it this way than to buy the valve and install it later. Gas is much nicer to work with in the shop, but outside, flux core is easier to use where breeze can blow your shield gas away, and you get VERY poor quality welds with lots of trapped oxidized metal pockets. Remember duty cycle... this dictates how long you can weld before the welder shuts down to cool. Very short duty cycles are a real aggravation, you spend a lot of time waiting for the welder transformer to cool so you can finish your weld.

Also pay some attention to the drive rollers on the wire feed- some are robust, others are a real pain to get to work decent. Without consistent wire feed rates, nobody welds well, regardless of process. I know too many guys that have cheapies in their garage, and can't use them well because of the welder shortcomings, not due to their own skill level. A great weldor, can maybe use a poor machine, but if you are learning, a cheapie machine can hurt you in the long run by obtaining poor weld quality. On a budget, you would be better off buying an oxy-acetylene rig and learning to properly gas weld- then you know your weld quality is there. The skills from gas welding are transferable to the mig welding process, it just happens a lot faster with a mig. After all, it's you inside the car. Good welds cause no harm, bad ones do.
My $0.25cdn, hope it helps.

shadowz
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posted March 01, 2003 10:05 PM  
buy the best you can afford. I bought a lincoln 175+ and I will never own any thing else.

Baddawg775
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posted March 19, 2003 09:01 PM  
I believe Miller bought out Hobart. I use a Lincoln 135, been real happy with it. Lowe's Hardware has them $400 bucks. Get the 10 lb. rolls of wire, the 2 lb. rolls go way to quick.

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