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marty
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posted November 08, 2002 05:44 PM  
I had the misfortune of having someone try & break into my garage the other night but luckily they didn't quite get in.
So I was hoping you guys might have some suggestions on preventative measures/gadgets to deter would be thieves.
Thanks.
Marty.

sixwillwin
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posted November 08, 2002 06:08 PM  
A mean A$$ dog usually works!

hoosier_baby_3D
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posted November 08, 2002 06:22 PM  
Have you thought about gettin the motioned sensored lights to put infront of your garage? You can get those a wal-mart.

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2nd2none
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posted November 08, 2002 06:40 PM  
you can use fake security cameras mounted at the doors. Or get "secured by such and such company" stickers to put on doors and windows. Some companys offer security alarms for a little cost.

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loojack
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posted November 08, 2002 06:41 PM  
I remember my Dad getting some motion sensors that plugged into a wall socket, they sounded an alarm and flashed lights when you moved near them. I don't know where he got them, might try Wally's or a hardeware store....loojack

marty
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posted November 09, 2002 06:29 PM  
Thanks for the tips so far guys.
Just to put you in the picture.......I have double doors on the front of my garage & these are secured inside by 2 slot in 2"x2" box section beams & chained/padlocked. There are no handles outside so no one can put a chain through these & wrench the doors. The side door is also padlocked with an enclosed casing to stop any one getting a hammer or bolt croppers to it.
Motion sensors may be a bit of a problem for me as we tend to get the odd mouse or bird get in through the roof (and I don't want the alarm going off & upsetting the neighbours without good reason). As for putting up security signs this can encourage the proffesional theif because they automaticaly think you have something worth stealing (sometimes better to leave a "to let" sign up outside & they might think its empty!)
Anyway if any of you guys can think of a decent alarm system that wouldn't be triggered by the local wild life then let me know. Thanks.
Marty.

The Outlaw
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posted November 10, 2002 12:08 AM  
my 156 lb rottweiler works just fine! should try one, there very intimidating

Eljojo
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posted November 10, 2002 04:42 AM  
I've given some thought to the same question. I don't particurly care to own a BFD, and have no use for a siren going off. I wouldn't hear it if I was sleeping and probably wouldn't hear it if I was gone either. The neighbors around here are kind of used to loud and weird noises from my shop anyway. But I do have a lot of stuff in there and have sunk a many of paychecks into the tools and toys I keep. I've thought about putting a camcorder in there and putting a motion sensor on it. Run a cable up to the house and putting the old vcr to work there. At least that way when my stuff got gone, I'd have the SOB's on tape and MIGHT get arsses thrown in jail. Maybe get some of my stuff back too. Just a thought.
BTY I would strongly suspect that 1. A thief would more likely break into your shop than your home. 2. You probably know whoever it was.
Good luck!

dirtsquirt
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posted November 10, 2002 10:11 AM  
Someone needs to figure out a way to hook a fencer up to the doorknob. OUCH!!

Scoot
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posted November 10, 2002 06:24 PM  
Marty, I would get some motion sensor lights to light up the area around your doors. Then get a couple of dummy cameras,if possible have one mounted away from the shop, but where it could cover the doorways. and have something posted on the doors that they are under video surveillance. Make it look real, mention to your friends that you have actual video surveillance. If I ever get my shop finished this is what I plan on using.

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outlawstock17
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posted November 10, 2002 09:31 PM  
i've got a german shepherd. he barks at anything that moves and i sleep with all the high dollar parts.

excuse me honey, i need some room for my new annular discharge double pumper!


SLEEPY GOMEZ
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posted November 10, 2002 09:42 PM  
Hey great, Scoot. Now I know I can walk into your shop anytime and those fake cameras wont bother me. Just kiddin.

Security is a problem. Anything you can do to make it take longer for someone to break in will help. Garrott wires and electric knobs can invite a lawsuit by a thief who is hurt. A thief may also bring along his leftover KFC. The BFD won't bother him much while is choking on the chicken bones.

Eljojo has one of the better ideas. Having the thief on tape sure would help. I wouldn't tell any one where the camera was either, it can be avoided and disabled.
SLEEPY

b4racing
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posted November 10, 2002 09:57 PM  
we leave bait for people When we get out gas stolen out of our racing cans we sneak a little gas in with the sugar. Most of the time we will know who is stealing it. For the shop we have protected by winchester..

Scoot
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posted November 11, 2002 12:17 PM  
Oh now Sleepy there wont be much in there to steal, but ya never know when those dummy cameras are real.

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redneck bubbas racing
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posted November 12, 2002 01:17 PM  
As a man who makes a living looking for the crooks I would like to follow up on some things mentioned so far. Sleepy is right. Anything that will/could cause harm to someone is illegal, except for the dog, and thats still a BIG liability. He's also telling you right Scoot. You have your phone number on here, I can look it up through a reverse directory and give you your address. You gotta be careful. The fake stickers do work really well, I think the cameras would be just like telling someone that something is VERY IMPORTANT inside, I would avoid those. And probably the truest thing said is "You probably know the person who stole it" Most security systems, from the $1.99 sticker to the $1500 fully manned system, are only designed to keep an honest man honest. Good luck and I hope it happens to none of us.

wrenchjockey
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posted November 12, 2002 02:17 PM  
If some low-life wants to break in badly enough, he's going to do it. Our shop had the misfortune last month of being broken into nine times in one week. The thieves stole two 99 F-150's that belonged to a fleet account of ours, some stereo equipment and even the damm gumball machine from the waiting room. No joke. The alarm went off every time, the police were dispatched every time, even five times in one night. The crooks would get out before the cops got there and then wait for them to leave and have another go. On the ninth night, five of us waited for them to come back. The idiots sent in the first guy, and we sent him to jail via the hospital. 10 stitches in the back of the head, four in his right elbow (defensive wound) and two missing front teeth. An engine stand's handle does do the trick. Before the cops were called, all he kept saying was "my homies told me this was an easy hit." It should be noted for the record that we waited from 7:30pm when he first trespassed on our property, to 11:30pm when he actually entered the building. He got in through one of the overhead door's windows. You would be surprised how easy they can be removed. I think the best deterrant is a fully-functioning alarm system that notifies the police. As for the BFD's, until this morning, I had two gorgeous Pit Bull Terriers, and would never think of putting them in harm's way. We lost Tank this morning to cancer. I'd rather have it that way than having a crook do it for me. Sorry for the long post.

Pickles
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posted November 13, 2002 11:44 AM  
Light, lotsa light and the more windows the better so the thief can be seen inside. Flouresent lights are fairly economical. I leave mine on 24/7. If you go the video route, it's a good idea to have a dummy recorder(an old broke one)with a tape inside for them to take with them. Of course, the real recorder is well hidden. Also, you can't get sloppy about turning it on even after you have gone a long time with no problem. AND don't tell ANYONE where the real recorder is or that the one setting out is a dummy! The hardest thing for most people is keeping their mouth shut and not bragging about how smart they were setting up a security system.

Scoot
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posted November 13, 2002 11:03 PM  
That is a great idea Pickles, never even thought about a dummy recorder. Will have to keep that in mind, since Sleepy kinda made me change my mind. BTW my number I post on here isnt listed anywhere.

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Scoot
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marty
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posted November 15, 2002 02:45 PM  
Thanks for the ideas guys, keep them coming!
I've been busy upgrading my security the last couple of days. Heres the main upgrade........I've put pressure switches on all the doors & windows & linked these to a selonoid which operates a fast dial key on a old mobile phone (these are run off a truck battery incase the mains is cut & theres a remote kill switch). So now if I get a call on my mobile I can call the police myself or contact one of my neighbours to just check it out (already recruited 4 & they want me to fit one to their place too!) umm... there could be money to be made here, has this already been invented? Best thing is its only cost me about $20 & a couple of hours to set up!
Hope you like the idea & can make use of it yourself.
Marty.

Pickles
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posted November 15, 2002 07:30 PM  
Good stuff Marty!

redneck bubbas racing
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posted November 15, 2002 09:49 PM  
Scoot- It IS listed. You may have it on the un-listed directory but it is available. How do they know where to send the bill too? There are lots of ways to find information. Jammin can/could provide your IP address to me. Then I could contact your internet provider to find out who has the account and at what address. I can verify this with the utility companies and I have everything I need. I am not trying to scare anyone, just letting you know to help keep you safe and secure. As i said before I make my living from your tax dollars, I am a police officer. The best way for me to catch a crook or prevent a crime is to be able to think like one. Hope I didn't offend anyone, that is the fartherset thing from my mind. To "Protect and Serve", thats all i am trying to do.

go4win
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posted November 17, 2002 12:15 PM  
i know this isn't really high tech ,but it did work once . our shop was broken into,
(metal doors pryed open and bent from corner
up to knob area and crawled in)
our shop is VERY dark at night and the door
that was bent open had a metal shelf in front
of it that stored oil,trans fluid, etc.
after the theif crawled between the shelves,
he began to "stumble" threw the shop .
he then "found" a creeper that was lying in the floor. His large footprint was right in
the middle of it! His blood and a little hair was found on the
corner of the tubing bender ,OUCH!
He then crawled out threw another door by kicking it open at the bottom. I couldn't
find anything stolen ,but the damage was
costly. I wish I could have caught that on tape!

Scoot
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posted November 17, 2002 10:36 PM  
Redneck, what do you have to do to find out who the number is listed too? It is a cell phone, and I have a dynamic IP address, which changes or is suppose to change every time the computer is turned off. I'm sure it can be done, just not sure what steps would be takin to do it. I take it you suggest not to list that kind of info on here correct? I thought I was fairly safe, but I may not be after talking with you.

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Scoot
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jammin
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posted November 18, 2002 02:53 AM  
Not to worry Scoot, it is still available but I can't do it. I'm just a small town cop, big cities have cops that only do computer crimes and could tell you anything you want to know. Jammin, thats great about our info, many sell it out to other companies. Scoot, don't worry about your phone number, I'll give you mine if you email me. Just trying to bring up some points of interest.

Scoot
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posted November 19, 2002 09:44 PM  
Not a problem redneck, you brought up some very valid points. I appreciate your help, I had never thought about it as I'm sure alot dont. I need someone to look after me LOL thanks again.

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Scoot
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zeroracing
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posted November 19, 2002 11:04 PM  
get some motion lights and talk to oyur homeowners insurance. i have special tool insurance. i dont have a shop so i work on everything outside and use a storageshed to hold parts and tools. som sob broke in last year and stole over 2200 dollars worth of tools that were mine and ones my dad had passed down to me. they left one ready to race motor and one shortblock but took my tools. my insurance barely covered them and the put up a mile of complants about paying up so now i have special tool insurance on just my toools in case it happense again

widebody
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posted November 22, 2002 11:58 AM  
Stock car garages, especially non-commercial garages, that get robbed are gennerally from someone who was in it at one point in time, or they told someone else what was inside.

We had a local guy here who helped some racers(kids) by bending some tube for them, they were so thankfull they came back and robbed him. One good thing with race parts in a smaller town they are hard to hock once the word got out he'd been robbed, sure enough the kids tried selling the stuff to another racer and they got busted.
On your overhead doors dont just rely on the lock in the door, put padlocks on the end of the cross bars on the inside,after it passes throught the channels on the side.
My point is be carfull who you let in your garage in the first place.
security stickers, motion lights and neighbors are a good deterant also.

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