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J3
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 188
posted November 02, 2005 11:02 PM  
Ok, I would like your thoughts on this. The track and class I race in is limited to 362 cubes according to the rule book. However, I know most (not all, but about 85%) are running 383 and 406 strokers. Now to my dilemma, do I build a stroker also even though it is against the rules or do I follow the rules? None of these guys every got DQed because they don't tech it. So, do I stick with the rules or join the crowd?

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sjakes
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 254
posted November 03, 2005 05:53 AM  
lol, sounds like a track I also know.

Everyone has to make their own decisions, you know what you want to do already so go ahead and do it. You also know that your the only one that can accept or deny the results of your actions.

I feel your pain although, here are the options:

1. Do you blow the whistle, and hope actions are taken, and then you are the bad guy.

2. Go with the flow and run what you think everyone else is running and know your also illegal

3. Run totally legal and not be competitive

Welcome to dirt track soap opera's


J3
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 188
posted November 03, 2005 08:32 AM  
1. If I blow the whistle, nothing will be done about it anyway, I will be the bad guy and basically black balled from the track.

2. If I go with the flow, yes I will know I am illegal according to the rules, but will be no more illegal than the guys I am running against, so, no I want feel bad for taking a stroked motor and beating the other stokers. No I wont feel bad about the few people that run legal either, I ran legal all year and still beat them.

3. Running totally legal I was somewhat competitive. If I started in the front, I could stay up there about half the time. If I started in the rear, I could make it to about 4-7 place.


zeroracing
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1875
posted November 03, 2005 08:46 AM  
Build a 400 block with a 327 crank. THen your under the 362 cube rule, and have a kick... motor. If you would like more info about one, or a little more "exotic" one, pm me.

Spi-nex
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 23
posted November 03, 2005 09:41 AM  
Ive noticed that if your not cheating your not racing.

Ill be the first to admit there are several things on my car that are illegal, but I am willing to accept the consiquences without pointing the finger at the other guys who I know are cheating.

FATBOY90
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 52
posted November 03, 2005 09:48 AM  
RUN A 6'' STROKER THE 400 BLOCK IS A DEAD GIVEAWAY WITH THE EXTRA FREEZ PLUG

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leftturn29
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 95
posted November 03, 2005 03:18 PM  
my 406 only had 2 freeze plugs on the side (it was a 2bolt main though)

johder
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 100
posted November 03, 2005 03:43 PM  
my 400 block had 3 plugs on it and it was a 2 bolt...so i traded it straight up for a 350 lol...crazy?

bobaluuu
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 474
posted November 03, 2005 08:36 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by FATBOY90:
RUN A 6'' STROKER THE 400 BLOCK IS A DEAD GIVEAWAY WITH THE EXTRA FREEZ PLUG



most tracks specify cubic inches not a particular motor , so that wouldn't be a problem as I see it


dirtyboy58
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted November 05, 2005 08:01 PM  
build a small355 build it right and a410 can not touch ya if ya can drive i run alot of tracks from a 1/4 to a1/2 finish top 5 leagle wise at least motor wise

J3
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 188
posted November 06, 2005 06:22 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by dirtyboy58:
build a small355 build it right and a410 can not touch ya if ya can drive i run alot of tracks from a 1/4 to a1/2 finish top 5 leagle wise at least motor wise

So what you are saying is not to cheat on the motor, cheat on the setup......

Only problem with that logic is: If the other guy can drive, and his car handles well, where does that leave ya???? Not in the winners circle.

dirtyboy58
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted November 06, 2005 08:16 PM  
ya just have to out drive the other guy

J3
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 188
posted November 07, 2005 08:16 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by dirtyboy58:
ya just have to out drive the other guy

Which is easier done if our motors are comparitivly even. Much harder when he has a lot stronger, faster motor.

Good driving alone doesn't win races. It also takes good motor, good setup, and a little bit of luck.

WesternAuto17
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 569
posted November 07, 2005 08:26 AM  
Here's how I look at it -

There's 2 sets of rules, the written rules and the enforced rules. If your lucky, they are the same, but most of time (in my experience) with street stocks, they're not. Chances are that if the promoter isn't teching the cars, he doesn't really care if they are compliant with the rules or not. So if you point out these illegal cars, he probably won't care. Streets are a support class and as long as the promoter is happy with the car counts (and ensuing pit passes), he is unlikely to mess with anything.

I say build a car to be competive to the actual, enforced rules. Everybody loves to say "just outdrive 'em?", but that assumes cheaters with big motors can't drive and can't set up their chassis. Those can be some pretty shaky assumptions.

Good luck......

leftturn73
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 199
posted November 07, 2005 03:27 PM  
Always nicer beating them legal. Stay legal keep it simple and you will win. Set up will beat the big motor guy any day.

J3
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 188
posted November 07, 2005 04:57 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by leftturn73:
Always nicer beating them legal. Stay legal keep it simple and you will win. Set up will beat the big motor guy any day.

But when the big motor guy also has setup, your screwed.....

WesternAuto, that was about the best well said explanation I have ever heard.
Thanks.
Johnny

bobaluuu
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 474
posted November 07, 2005 06:15 PM  
westerns rightIMO. once the promoters gotten the ticket receipts then the rest of the evening is downhill to him and usually a nuisance. but i believe you can build it(355) carefully with great research and some extra money and run with some of the bigger engines if all other things are pretty equal. BUT if they're gonna cheat on an expensive engine then they will do the same dern thing in the suspension and then your in trouble. thats where you gotta keep your notepad and wallet close by to start some protest. I dont see any other way, because I will only run legal .

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