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pforsythe
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 133
posted November 02, 2005 01:14 PM  
i use the g force it works great but the one drawback is you have to have a g force helmet they dont recommend the restraint system for use on a helmet not designed for it but i reAlly like mine if your helmets getting old it would be a good time for the g force

eborcim
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 303
posted November 02, 2005 02:55 PM  
I use a Hutchens device and it does work. I've been in two car-totalling wrecks and was not injured either time. If your helmet does not have two d-rings on the sides, you will have to put them on. I think most new helmets designed for auto racing do have them, check with the manufacturer though.

The Hutchens is kinda tricky to put on by yourself. It can be done but is better to have someone help you put it on and then cinching up the helmet straps. Its hard to explain, better to see one in person. Maybe the G-force is easier.

sjakes
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 254
posted November 02, 2005 08:26 PM  
pforsythe, see these links on discussions about Hans device, and G Force.

This one is primarily an update of Hans Device and how I liked it. http://www.thedirtforum.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/004637.html


Here is a string that has some comparison and discussion between Hans and G force. http://www.thedirtforum.com/ubb/Forum5/HTML/004281.html

Good luck in your decision and its great your thinking of safety, hats off!!

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Spi-nex
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 23
posted November 03, 2005 06:46 AM  
Getting a head and neck restraint is one of the SMARTEST things a racer can do. This was my first season and I cracked a outside concrete wall, almost flipped, and and a few incidents with the inside fence and I was pretty sore in the neck and I was wearing a neck collar (Should Be MANDATORY AT EVERY TRACK AT LEAST!!).

My family is insisting that I get a Head/Neck restraint. Im still doing research one which one would suite me the best but what I dont like about the Hutchens is that it doesnt protect too well on a side impact, and I see alot more side impacts in Dirt Track racing than I do head on colissions. But yet you can correct this by buying 2 head supports that hold your head in place from side to side and they bolt right into your seat ($25 a piece, $50 total), but yet you may lose your perifreial(sp?) vision.

Im seriously looking at the D-cel harness ($425). It has side impact and roll over protection because it has forward and rear mounts on the harness and the helmet. The strap restraint system stays with the driver (Like Hutchens) which allows easy entry and exit of car and no seat belt attachment is required. Now you will have to put some hardware on your helmet for the Harness to bolt on which I would recomend having someone who has done this before because I would hate to ruin my $400 helmet!

I just strongly suggest you do a lot of research and find what suites YOU the best. Just remember that all it takes is 15mph impact and it CAN be fatal. The Human brain can sustain a forward or rear impact better than a side to side impact because of the membrain fluid (kind of a pillow for your brain) is thicker in the front and back of your head than on the sides. Look at how many guys get hurt because they got hit in the driver side or passanger side of their cars, thats because their noggin doesnt have SIDE protection. I would say to have a 75% side protection device and a 25% forward protection. I would also recomend that you talk with a physician and have him explain to you about the human head and what it can and cannot withstand (Its a real eye opener and really helps in your decesion on the proper device)

Ive never used one of the devices but I WILL be next year and these are just some of the things Ive researched and discovered. You might call me a safety freak, but I want to reduce my chances of getting hurt the most that I can and walk away from a crash waiving to the crowd than leaving the track on a stretcher. Safety is expensive and I wouldn't sacrafice it for anything!

Use your noggin and protect it!!!

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pforsythe
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 133
posted November 03, 2005 07:55 AM  
IMCA and most dirt tracks do not require more than the neck pillow, but I am building a car for a road course series and they are looking to mandate a head and neck restraint, so I have been doing a little research.

Right now there is only a few that meet the toughest SFI ratings of 38.1, which Nascar and other series are requiring.

They are:
The HANS device: http://www.hansdevice.com/

The R3 Device: http://www.lfttech.com/

The Hutchens II: http://www.hutchensdevice.com/home/hutch2.html

The G-Force barely failed the test, but at this time is not SFI 38.1 rated,nor is the original Hutchens device.

I would think that if you are going to invest in a head and neck restraint, that you should at least consider one that meets current safety standards.

For those that might be interested...here is a pretty good thread about the different devices and their ratings.
http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25255&highlight=hans

Speedway65
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 344
posted November 03, 2005 09:00 AM  
Its nice to hear drivers concerned about their own well being for a change.I am a firm believer in driver safety at any cost.It was refreshing to read the thread and not once was the cost of the particular devices brought up.On our car the driver cockpit rivals a Winston cup car for safety items,Kirkey deluxe seat with the added Safety Solutions head restraints and rib protector and a sprint car style net mounted to the RS of the seat.It amazes me sometimes to hear people complain about the price of safety items but they are the same ones that would drop a bundle on a killer motor our some sort of new trick parts!

Just my opinion

pforsythe
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 133
posted November 03, 2005 09:09 AM  
I look at it this way. I can be pretty safe after spending $1200-$1400 and sacraficing some car performance parts where as if I got hurt not spending that I could wind up in the hospital with a bill of well over $120,000 in head trauma and no chance of even being able to be at the track.

Id rather be a slow running safe back marker than not being able to be there at all!

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nate21
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 5
posted November 03, 2005 10:42 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by pforsythe:
Thanks for all the responses. I searched through the forums and read the responses after I submitted the topic (kind of backwards but hey). The thing I worry about with the hans device is how easy I could get out in case of fire. I have heard that they are kind of difficult. I have looked at the g force system and I need a new helmet any way so i was thinking of going that way but was not sure if it was as good as the hutchens or hans. I really liek the d cell system I have seen but i am really just trying to gather facts at this point. I think this year I am going with a head and neck restraint and next year a set of good 6 point belts.


I have a G-force helmet and love it. Its really light and has good side vision.

sjakes
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 254
posted November 03, 2005 12:31 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by pforsythe:
The thing I worry about with the hans device is how easy I could get out in case of fire. I have heard that they are kind of difficult.

Like you, I had the same worries about getting out of the car if involved in a wreck/fire or whatever. To set your mind at rest, I have climbed in and out of my car many times and its doesn't take to long to get used to the Hans Device and know how to pivot your body just enough that it doesn't get caught on anything, and what you need to do if by chance it does get caught on something. Obviously a person really won't know until something may, or may not happen.

I would seriously consider doing just a bit more research if your considering a G Force vs. a Hans. I don't want to get into an arguement about it, just make sure you make all your checks that make you comfortable.

If you have any questions pertaining to a Hans device email me anytime. I love mine and sleep better at night knowing I'm doing all I can do to be safe.

good luck!!

Shawn

merf23
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 23
posted November 03, 2005 04:08 PM  
I bought a g force set up and didnt like it. I had tried my friends hutchens prior to the gforce and felt much more sucure. I ended up buying a Dcell.

    

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