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hoosierdaddy48
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posted October 27, 2005 10:34 PM  
should a track be able to dictate car appearance????

20bmw
Dirt Full Roller

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posted October 27, 2005 10:45 PM  
I say Yes. I have been to tracks and when i seen some of the cars i thought i was at a Demo. I know Some will say no and they are the ones that like to spend money on tires every week. Run into one of those jagged junks and your nite is done....

Steve Dupree
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posted October 28, 2005 03:25 AM  
I would have to say i would like to see all cars reskined if needed every year before season starts. If all cars looked nice and the people had to pay or put the work in them like we do then maybe they would think a little before driving or what they call driving.lol We make our cars look like they are ging to a car show but i am womdering why. Look under my photos for pics of our cars in thestreet class http://profiles.yahoo.com/geminikid1

sjakes
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posted October 28, 2005 06:08 AM  
This is a good honest question.......

myself I think of the guy thats just getting into racing and most likely doesn't have the budget or knowledge to reskin/paint every year etc.

And personally I really don't like a clean new looking car...lol.

I look at it this way, usually you can tell to a certain extent the level of driver by the appearance of their car by mid season.

Good post, really makes a person think.....

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wetwolfone
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posted October 28, 2005 08:15 AM  
As long as there isn't sharp edge or something that can fall off, who cares. I like beating the cars that look like they should be at a car show. I also think if you leave your car all dented up, people underestimate you which gives you an advantage.


Steve Dupree
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posted October 28, 2005 08:32 AM  
wetone thats why we have a little stronger bumper than most. Because i will race you the way you race me and everyone at my track knows that and the car i run could total a metric lol

wetwolfone
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posted October 28, 2005 09:59 AM  
I meant beating them to the checkers, not literally hitting their cars.

Spi-nex
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posted October 28, 2005 10:03 AM  
Being a rookie 19 years old and funding my racing effort on my own I dont have the budget to be buying a $1000 5-star body every year.

As long as self tapping screws and pop rivets arent coming out and blowing out my tires I don't care how nice or bad your car looks, its your choice and you have my respect just for having a car out there putting on a show.

My car started off looking very nice this past season, but it got beat up to the point where I have a bungy cord holding down the front of the hood

If I had the funds for the nice 5-stars I would buy them, but until then I have to focus on what makes me go faster instead of focusing on cosmetics. I try to make the car look as good as I can, and I think everyone should at least "try" to bang out the dents every now and then, I mean, a hammer and block of wood goes a long way.

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Speedway65
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posted October 28, 2005 11:06 AM  

 
Where we run we have an award for best appearing car ,but it is based on what the car looks like all season,not just when its fresh out of the shop.Here is a picture of our car half way into the season with 6 feature wins so far.We have won best appearing car 2 times!A car can be good looking and bad fast also!!

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STREET16
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posted October 28, 2005 11:21 AM  
I have always thought that it would depend on the car count. If your track has a high car count you can have an appearance rule. But, if the car count drops too much, the track will usually let it slide.

jay116
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posted October 28, 2005 11:51 AM  
I make a concerted effort to keep my car looking decent, not only because it says something to potential sponsors, but it also shows that I take pride in my car. I do not like those who purposely keep their fenders with jagged edges, and questionable fenders, and bumpers. I do however agree with sjakes, that you can tell the better drivers are the ones with less damage to their car by midseason. I wish I had a dollar for every time my fenders got tore up because someone elses stupidity. I got tired of constantly repairing the monte front bumper on my car, and I finally took a large plastic peice, and riveted it on. Whenever I got hit in the fenders, somehow the bumper would get torn, or pulled.

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redneck racing
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posted October 28, 2005 01:23 PM  
I always like my car to look and keep it looking good week after week, reguardless, the sponsors like it also and they keep coming back. Eddie

johder
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posted October 28, 2005 03:49 PM  
jay 116...i beg to differ....most people go to watch the "dirt track racing, side by side, sideways, sprint wheelies, lates getting all clamped up on 3 wheels" most of the fans wanna see cars goin into the turns 100mph not if there body is straight....i mean you cant be having your door flapin in the wind but who cares about a lil cave here and there...pound it out with a hammer and a dolly and spray some paint back over it

Eljojo
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posted October 28, 2005 04:14 PM  
You walk in my shop and look at the Camaro and think...dang! has he hit the wercker too? But When the fans see the 0z at the track from a short distance, they don't see that. What they see is a bright yellow Camaro, lettered cleanly and ready to run. It's has been said many times, dolly those dents and get out the paintbrush...the skin may be as rough as a sack of walnuts, but on the track it looks like new money!
A trick I use is to drill two half inch holes 4" apart and run a U bolt thru them. I have a flat piece that I nut onto the other side of the panel and am able to put a King Kong style pull without tearing my pick point out. Then apply some paint (Rust Oleum safety yellow, and cover the holes with a piece of yellow vynal. The match is very close. Sometimes I will add a decal from one of the oil, brake, or parts suppliers.

MetricMonte
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posted October 28, 2005 06:03 PM  
I would love an appearance rule, I keep my car looking the best I can from week to week. Right now other drivers would rather hit you to get around than pass you clean, and I can see why, their cars look terrible and they dont care nor do they take it off the trailer from one week to the next. If they were forced to fix the car every week, then they wouldnt drive like idiots. We have to run a consi every night, so there's no shortage of cars.

jay116
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posted October 28, 2005 08:39 PM  
what this boils down to is a matter of pride!!! I work hard on my car every week, and that includes the appearence. Each of us should take pride in our cars, afterall your name is probably on it somewhere. plus there's nothing wrong with winning and looking good at the same time...or you could look at like this. If you were in the market to BUY a racecar, which one are you likely to look at first??? I just bought a car from someone on this website, and I made my decision due to the appearence of the car ( the craftsmanship was outstanding) sorry to ramble, just my 2 cents

sjakes
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posted October 29, 2005 06:39 AM  
great answer leftturn......

I couldn't agree more.

Most people know me to be pretty anal about making sure my car stays clean all season and I reskin and go through my car every year. It does come down to pride, but also if you like to do that part of the job, and obviously I enjoy a new look every season.

Its a joy when people email me asking questions on hanging a body or whatever. I've had comments on how they enjoy that I post all my photos on my website so others get ideas etc.

I have one for you guys to mull over.....

The first year I ran, as always I had a nice paint scheme at the beginning of the year but by mid season I couldn't keep up with the banged up fenders etc. Although I still in my mind had thought I had a good looking car..........., until one day heading to the track I stopped by a gas station to fill up. Their was a family there also with 3 kids and as kids are, they thought the car was cool looking....

Noticed I left off "race" car, anyways I thought I was gaining some fans. Then I overheard one of them saying to their mom & dad. "Please, please, I really want to go there....., Please, come on, why can't we go watch the demolition derby?" And the conversation went on.

Now I'm not sure about most of you, but that was the biggest slam by any person I could've had. A moment I was feeling pride in what I do, and the next second a 12 yr. old putting me in my spot with my very expensive "demo car".

This was a great learning experiance for me although. It has changed my outlook on the appearance thing, all the way through to how I market myself to potential advertisers. Notice I didn't say "sponsors". "Sponsors" sponsor demolition derbie cars...lol. My clients are using my car as advertising opportunities.

Ok enough of my soapbox.... but something to think about.

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Steve Dupree
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posted October 29, 2005 07:45 AM  
Great post sjakes yea we think a good looking is part of what you are even if the yard never gets mowed the car looks and runs good. lol Very nice looking car and great story.

What we have found out is like we already have our 2006 car ready and it gives sposors a full year of advertizing and we take the car to there bussinesses for a day to just show off sponsors and advertize what we do.

There are plenty of cars and guys i here complaining all the time how they cant get any good sponsors. Well its not what they can do for you its what you do for them that gets you headed in the right direction for getting grat sponsors.

bobaluuu
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posted October 30, 2005 01:58 PM  
hey sjakes, lets see a pic of that car now bet it looks diff, I'm sure I saw it for sale earlier this season didnt I.

oceanridge motorsports
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posted October 30, 2005 05:25 PM  
Wash after every race night ,pound out the big one's , smear on a little paint . It is all about the 50-50 rule ,it must look good at 50 foot ,at fifty miles an hour !

sjakes
Dirt Freak

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posted October 30, 2005 07:27 PM  
Yeppers, you sure did see it for sale this season, why? Possibly because we had our 2nd child and at that time decided to try to make a change in our life and give up racing.

Well as everyone knows me, that only lasted about a month and I basically got back into it. Of course my 7 yr old son starting karts didn't help keep me away.

Bye the way the car sold via wire transfer in 1 day! Thats right, 2 guys were bidding on it over email, thanks to either dirt forum, or dirt drivers and I contacted both and settled it over the phone. The guy that bought it was 13+ hours away and bought it sight unseen, except for my website. Once delivered he was tickled it was in as good as shape as I promised.

Yeah I messed up by selling it and thinking I could get out of this addicting sport, but at any rate why the personal attack boballua?

Bye the way Steve, my car just got back from paint a couple days ago, and is scheduled to go to vinyl Wednesday. It should be totally complete by the end of the week. So I'm in the same boat is you. Although it feels good to have it completed for another year?

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Steve Dupree
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posted October 31, 2005 03:18 AM  
Well congrats there on new kid and yes this is way to addicting to stop. I said at the end of the year that i couldnt wait till the year was over because it takes up all your time and you get nothing done around the Casa. LOL Well its over and all i am doing is building others some gorsale and some to race. Really we like this side of the sport very much and like what you said when you sold your car. Its nice when you sell something and people are tickled with what they bought. Well good luck to you and your son in the Karts. Steve Dupree

way2fast
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Total posts: 106
posted November 02, 2005 09:33 AM  
In my opinion a good looking car doesn't have to be decked out in graphics, I like straight clean looking cars.... A person can run a full season and just beat the dents out ever weekend will show a little effort. A couple of years ago at the track I used to race at, we nicknamed a car tetnis. haha you could see the door bars throught the skin, the door was wrapped around the bars, haha

7T1
Dirt Roller

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posted November 02, 2005 05:02 PM  

 
With a clean looking car it is way easier getting good sponsors.

johder
Dirt Maniac

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posted November 02, 2005 05:23 PM  

 
here is mine sittin in the shop last weekend....take note the wheels are stock wheels cuz of the last race it was run...couldnt run imca rims... i sectioned the quarter

leftturn29
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posted November 03, 2005 03:23 PM  
How many of you would go the track without washing your car from the previous week? If we think real hard about this you will probably see that we ALL want our cars to look great, but as the season wears on, we are just too lazy to do something about it. we use the excuse that a new seaon is ust around the corner. We must remember that potential sponsers are always watching, and it may be something as simple as you were the one that washed your car that week. just something to ponder on!!

Stevei2i0
Dirt Full Roller

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posted November 03, 2005 07:33 PM  
I agree with Mr Spi-Nex! I have no budget, but I try to keep My car looking, and more importantly running as good each and every weekend, as I can. I think its safe to say Ive been beaten, more than Ive banged. If it was about the looks of the car, it would be called "World Of Wheels", not dirt racin...but thats just My opinion...

bobaluuu
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posted November 03, 2005 08:22 PM  
to sjakes: the comment was a far cry from a personal attack, my car certainly looks different than it did at the season opener.

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poorboy racing 53
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posted November 03, 2005 08:55 PM  
All the tracks we run at say in the rules the bodies must be in good cond. We keep our stuff pretty straight and clean. It is taking pride in what you are doing. I don't like doing stuff halfa**. And to me showing up with a dirty bent up car is uncalled for.You don't have to have a $300 graphics set on your car and a body shop paint job. Just take time to pull the panels and beat the dents out and spray them with the rattle can who cares if it runs like a dog. Just show up with straight panels and a car that looks good from the stands.

QUICK RICK #23
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posted November 03, 2005 09:15 PM  
A apperance rule would be great but should only be implemented at tracks where the racing is disciplined. Rough driving is very common in our home town and many drivers have never seen a black flag. Needless to say, our cars look pretty beat up. It wouldnt be fair to say dress it up so you can come tear it up all over again.

dirtyboy58
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posted November 05, 2005 07:48 PM  
I can tell everyone has their own opion mine is pride i don't have money but i have a hammer and a spray can also fans don't want to see a bunch of junk and utitmally that is what pays our winnings and if you cant't take pride in your car what are you doing here!!!!!

Ego Racing
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posted November 06, 2005 05:07 PM  
johnder that car looks in GREAT condition compaired to some of the peices I have seen. There is one car at our local track that looks like as it got bent they just hung a flat peice of tin (I do mean the galvanized stuff) on the car and pop riveted it where ever it touched. The paint is even flaking off and you can see the galv. It looks like a box with wheels.
My vote is yes!

beachracing
Dirt Forum Racer

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posted November 06, 2005 05:22 PM  
Our street stock class is headed that way as well. Once they allow a driver leway to skin their car as they see fit, it's just a matter of time. I think it's b.s. from the stand point that they want to see street stocks in the stands, and gradually the look of our class is going to change into a fricken circus act, and the cars will no longer have that ORIGINAL look. I know that it's getting harder to find body parts, but you give an inch.....and the drivers will take a mile. Our class president tells one driver that they can't run a metal skirt down on the rocker panels, but will turn around and let someone put a formed body on their car. Nothing against that driver, but the double standard our class president has with this rule really erks me.

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J3
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posted November 06, 2005 06:16 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by QUICK RICK #23:
A apperance rule would be great but should only be implemented at tracks where the racing is disciplined. Rough driving is very common in our home town and many drivers have never seen a black flag. Needless to say, our cars look pretty beat up. It wouldnt be fair to say dress it up so you can come tear it up all over again.

The best appearance rule they could make at my track would be enforce rules agains ruff and unsafe driving. If they would use the black flag a little at times when it is needed, that would cut down alot on how bad cars look. But, as long as it is not a safety hazard for the driver or other drivers on the track, I don't think you need an appearance rule.


johder
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posted November 06, 2005 06:38 PM  
well thanks ego...cuz when i got th ecar used it was trashed...so i began making panels...even though they are "made" i made them look like they were an original "skin" i cut them to shape, bent, etc all original...and on the one white piece that connects the door and the 1/4 panel if you take that off, the 1/4 would look all original cept ofr osme pop rivits...wow im amazed cuz im on a Very tight budget and tying to make due with what i have and i thought it was rather ratty looking...i am putting hte plastic nose and tail on it which is not done in the pics

PEDDLER
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posted November 07, 2005 05:23 PM  
If more people would take a little "PRIDE IN THEIR RIDE" , the cars wouldn't look like a demo derby. We have a few guys that don't believe in a hammer and thair cars show it. It doen't promote the family racing that a lot of track are promoting when ole Bubba drags a pile of bent and twisted metal he calls a race car to the track.
JMO

bobaluuu
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posted November 07, 2005 05:53 PM  
junkers are for pure street and beginners/ when I see a winner posted opn here it is rarely if ever a junked out piece. sure its banged out and painted over in places and sometimes a big dent from that race but pride in your ride goes thru the whole car and separates those of us who "drive" a race car.

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ajdjamm99
Dirt Newbie

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posted November 08, 2005 12:27 PM  

 
It makes it nice when you can use an aftermarket body also....Sponsors like a neat, clean looking car!

Spi-nex
Dirt Full Roller

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posted November 08, 2005 03:08 PM  
Yea but people like me can't afford aftermarket bodies!!

johder
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posted November 08, 2005 04:22 PM  
Yeah not every has 1000 dollar bodies, and such. Also not all of us spend all our money on our cars...I have a wife, daughter, brand new house and 3 other cars i gotta worry about before i go and spend a grand on a new body. NOt saying i dont have pride in my car, but ill feed my daughter beforei make her starve so i can buy a new fender. My track is a 1/3 mile , TIGHT and high banked track. No matter how good of a driver you are, your gonna get into somebody or someones gonna get into you especially when there is 20 prostocks out. Dont knock what ya dont have

Ego Racing
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posted November 09, 2005 05:00 AM  
This is not just limited to street stocks, There is a late model at the track here that has a body that looks about 6 years old. I can think of a couple of modifieds that have home made bodeis and it shows. I can understand if someone dosn't know how to build a body as some are tricky but all you have to do is ask someone. We do not charge what we should to build a body and we have even helped some guys whee they bought all of the aluminum and brought it to our place and we kept them within the rules and helped and it only cost them time or the material left. I have helped several people with bodies or setup help and they paid us off by cleaning up the shop, the car or help in the shop. If they learn the correct way to scale and setup a car so it is repeatable then they can take it to there car and do better.
Or they help out fabricating bumpers and things to learn how to use a bender and we let tehm tack itwith the welder. It gets them knowledge and a good looking car and we get time freed up and help to do things we need to.

ajdjamm99
Dirt Newbie

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posted November 09, 2005 06:24 AM  
For one the aftermarket body isnt 1000.00, more like 600.00. And if you take into account how much your time is worth when you have to search for and gut a stock body, then i think you could buy an aftermarket one and break even with the time you save. Just my opinion!

J3
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posted November 09, 2005 07:06 AM  
How much time is worth is based off of two differant factors.

1. The amount of free time one has.

2. The amount of money they have.


Spi-nex
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posted November 09, 2005 09:36 AM  
Id sure like to see where you are getting a 5-star street stock body for $600! Cheapest I can find is $800.

I leave the dents in my car cause I like the way THAT looks. I dont have sponsors to worrry about, and If a sponsor (which I really don't want to deal with anyway) wants to be on my car they're gunna have to do things MY way.

I dont have money for after market bodies, I dont have money for fantsy vinyl. If someone else don't like the way my car looks then they can go buy a new body for me because I sure can't afford it.

Yea I hammer out what I can, but it still don't look that good and someone else shouldn't be able to tell me that I can't race because they don't like how it looks.

Flanndad
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posted November 09, 2005 10:24 AM  
I pound mine out some.
The big thing for me is the $100 tires, I don't want to be the cause for riping someone else tire and I don't want to get mine trashed because somebody left a piece of sharp metal hanging.
Bottom classes will have more dents, and they always will, but as you move up in the classes you should take more pride in your car.

ryan
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posted November 09, 2005 11:11 AM  
$125 cutlass
$100 paint and paint related stuff
$85 nose
Free lettering(sponsor)
It doesn't cost that much to have a decent looking car. This year we had a bunch of bad luck and mechanical problems so it wasn't kept as straight and clean as usual but it was still acceptable


hoosier transplant
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posted November 09, 2005 05:05 PM  
The thing that keeps me from keeping appearance "top knotch" is so much the thing mentioned as it is my job. I'm out of town Monday thru Friday, getting home just in time to load up and go to the track Friday night. If I get tore up I only have Saturday and Sunday to get whatever fixed. If I have mechanical damage, guess what gets fixed first? I would rather be ugly and be ready for the next race than not race at all. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has this "time available" problem. Before I had this out of town job I would go out to the garage and work till whenever all week long and yes my cars were always show quality when I went to the track. Sometimes you need to know why somebody brings out a mashed up car once in awhile. Like I said, I would rather race than not race just because my car fender didn't get fixed

dee 61
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posted November 20, 2005 05:22 PM  
i happen to race with a bunch of people who have a hard time gettin their pants on over their helmets so trying to keep straight week after week is nearly imposible. i like decent lookin cars but i worry more how my car runs than looks yea a hemmer and wood go a long way but with no sponsers and paying everything out uf my own pocket spray paint and 100 mile tape are my best freind

    

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