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frankthetank
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 64
posted August 02, 2005 01:20 PM  
I guess my next question is has anyone run a setup on a dirt stock car that is a 3 link with a panhard mounted behind the housing, attached to left side axle tube and attached to the right side frame. i know most run it the other way but I know some run a deal similar to this. Anyone who can give any input it would be greatlt appreciated. thanks

turnleft44
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 45
posted August 05, 2005 03:31 PM  
Frank, i would just run it left side frame to the right side of the rear end. Keeping the mount as close to the center of the rear end as possible. We use a j-bar which mounts left side of the frame to the right side of the pinion. You have to get the weight transfer over to the right side of the car for side bite thru the curves. hope this helps.

STREET16
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 158
posted August 05, 2005 03:43 PM  
Frank, the set-up you're looking for info on is more of an asphalt setup. Most dirt drivers want the weight transfer like 44 said.

racer038
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 111
posted August 07, 2005 07:51 AM  
I had frame mounts on both rear frame rails, so I could move the bar for asphalt and for dirt. This is my opinion. If you're running stock rear end arms and mounting positions, your rear roll center is real high. Your car will drive better with a panhard bar! You will get even better performance out of the car with the bar mounted left frame, right tube. So if your rules allow, put on a panhard bar, center the middle of the bar at rear axle height. We had 3" height difference over a 32" long bar. Oh yeah, if you buy the "adjustable" 3" tube mount brackets, take your rear suspension through ALL it's travel while you're in the shop. Don't wait to get to the track to find out your lead weight is hitting your axle tube mount!!!!!!

DangerZoneRacing
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 176
posted August 07, 2005 06:42 PM  
For asphalt which way would the panhard bar mount? right frame to left axle or oposite? Next....I have a 81 cutlass with stock suspension compontents but a 8.5 rear....could I run a panhard bar with the stock lower control arms and remove the uppers? What type of modifacations would I have to do to run a bar? any help would be appreciated guys. Thanks.

racer038
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 111
posted August 07, 2005 10:07 PM  
On asphalt, I'd have the bar mounted to the frame on the passenger side and to the axle on the drivers side. I ran mine fairly level on asphalt with just an inch of downward slope from frame to axle. Center of the bar should be level with the center of the axle tubes. This is all providing that the bar is behind the rear end, not a pinion mount. Leave the drivers side upper mount attached like normal and detach the passenger side upper mount from the rear end and tie it up out of the way. If your panhard bar mounts break or if you get teched, all you have to do is remove the bar and reattach the passenger side upper arm. Back to square one.

frankthetank
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 64
posted August 08, 2005 11:13 AM  
Right now im running a stock metric frame. With the 3 link suspension, solid bar on top. I got bottom control arms in stock position, but have aluminum bars with heims ends instead of stock control arms, and I also have 3 holes of adjustment up and down on theh housing. Chassis builder has assured me he runs this panhard bar setup that attaches to the passenger side frame and to center of left rear axle tube on all his dirt stocks. It seems to have potential has the car works well it just is tight in the center. I have 3 holes of adjustment on the housing, I have roughly a 40 inch panhard bar. How much is slope is too much slope. And when do I adjust it. I need this all put into easy to know terms. When do I adjust it on the housing? When do i adjust it on the frame? Its not that complicated i know. But the chassis builder is telling me to always keep the bar straight just move it up and down together. Any more info would help. Go and ask 3 guys the same question and all 3 will tell you a different answer.

widebody
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 296
posted August 08, 2005 11:16 AM  
left side frame is a rising roll center and a right side frame mounted is a falling rollcenter. Ive used a right side frame, front mounted, panhard on an IMCA, on a large 1/2 mile monentium track. Car was tight alot of the time, hard for the driver to adjust to. If you like or need a tight everywhere car, this is it.. This setup is also used by many N/E DIRT mods. Stagger is your friend with this on a dirt track.. Id honestly suggest the left mount, unless you know what to do with it or have a ton of extra HP.

A cool way I saw a new troyer asphault mods panhard bar mounted on the diff at the extreme left and the frame just next to the drive shaft on the FRAME. kinda wierd so I took some pictures, I have them somewhere.
Frake email me and I can send you some pictures. Alot of the imca stuff isnt strong enough for heavier stock cars. After breaking some mounts we just build our own stuff now..

Tire Killer
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 47
posted August 08, 2005 10:42 PM  
Hey "widebody" I would like to see those as well, if you don't mind. My address is " briangshafer@hotmail.com", thanks.

kenny petitt
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 32
posted September 01, 2005 02:25 PM  
did you get that to work good like that if so let me know how it works because i have got a car set up like that

widebody
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 296
posted September 08, 2005 05:54 AM  
Did you guys get it figured out yet??
FOloow up on your threads it helps the guys that are just reading and not posting, aka newbee's....
Good Luck and Thanks;
widebody

    

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