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J3
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posted June 30, 2005 11:50 AM  
Is Royal Purple oil any better than any other synthetic oil? Is it worth paying the extra money for it? Just want to see everyone else's opinion.

redneck racing
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posted June 30, 2005 04:43 PM  
Depends on who you talk to, I like Castrol, reckon they blow up the same no matter what oil is in it. Eddie

sc1 racing
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posted June 30, 2005 08:59 PM  
i ran royal purple for 1 race and oil pressure dropped 20 lbs. when cold it would idle at 75. after a fresh oil change and ran r.p it idleg at 50 and dropped to 15 on caution laps or idling..

i went bought some napa 20/50 same filter and all and the oil pressure popped right back up. i have no explaination, and dont know why but that was my first and last experiance with it and not worth 6.00 a qt for that b.s.

stockcar5
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posted June 30, 2005 09:10 PM  
royal purple and mobil 1 are the 2 best oils. had great luck with both. i'd say the royal purple held up a little better over time.

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powerglides
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posted July 01, 2005 04:46 AM  
I called a major camshaft manufacturer and they recomended staying away from royal purple. Actually they did not recomend any synthetic oil but said amsoil is ok mixed with 1/2 a can of GM E.O.S Assembly lube.

ford5
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posted July 01, 2005 05:35 AM  
My bro-in-law is a dealer for Royal Purple, so I got some fairly reasonably priced, I used it in our Alky mod and I really could not see any advantage or disadvantage at all. I also used it in my Ford 7.3 diesel truck, and it seemed to 'gel' and get really sludgey looking in there. Maybe I left it in too long? but I thought you were able to?
my conclusion:
it ain't worth the extra money........JMO

sc1 racing
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posted July 01, 2005 12:43 PM  
would anyone know why it caused a decrease in my oil pressure? i always use the napa gold filter and the only change was the oil. it may have had enought oil pressure to be safe but that is a uneasy feeling on the track with your oil light glowing..

tin cup
Dirt Full Roller

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posted July 01, 2005 02:14 PM  
valvoline 50 wt., wix racing filter, and nothing else. Sometime's it's better to use the K.I.S.S. technique....Keep It Simple Stupid.

J3
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posted July 02, 2005 01:28 PM  
Hey guys, found this web site about oil. Check it out, it is very informative. You can learn more about oil than you ever wanted too. It also has the spec sheets on almost any type of oil you want to look at.
Let me know what yall think.
http://www.trustmymechanic.com/motoroil.html


J3
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posted July 10, 2005 08:39 PM  
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Originally posted by redneck racing:
Depends on who you talk to, I like Castrol, reckon they blow up the same no matter what oil is in it. Eddie

Just thought I would let everyone know how my first night went after changing oil and putting Royal Purple in. Only change to car was changing the oil. Motor Blew on 6th lap of heat race. I don't think I like Royal Purple oil.

ss99
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posted July 11, 2005 01:42 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by J3:
Just thought I would let everyone know how my first night went after changing oil and putting Royal Purple in. Only change to car was changing the oil. Motor Blew on 6th lap of heat race. I don't think I like Royal Purple oil.

Don't blame the oil. That motor was going to blow no matter what oil you put in it.

As far as the questions about oil pressure dropping with synthetics - that is a commom occurance. Synthetic oils pour differently than dyno oils. It is commom to see a slight drop in oil pressure when switching, for example, from a 50 wt. dino oil to a 20-50 synthetic. As long as your oil pressure is still within acceptable parameters, don't sweat the small decrease. You're making more horsepower!

sc1 racing
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posted July 12, 2005 07:25 AM  
hey my engine did the same thing when i put royal purple in it.. if you dont beleive me i got picks of the broke rod with the purple oil on it.

then i tried again and oil pressure dropped way down.. ill stick to my valvoline 20/50

ss99
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posted July 12, 2005 08:03 AM  
I wouldn't deny that your engine broke when it had RP in it. RP won't prevent a rod from breaking, but it won't cause a rod to break either. Come on guys, think about this. Rods, cranks, and pistons don't break because of the quality of your oil. Rings and bearings may suffer from poor oil quality, but rotating assembly parts don't break because of oil. Your rod had a crack in it - it was going to break regardless!!!

sc1 racing
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posted July 12, 2005 03:15 PM  
it spun 2 bearings, and then it broke the rod..took it to machine shop and the man read the bearing and asked about oil pressure. i told him the light came on and went boom..he asked what oil i ran i told him and he said no fing wonder..they build 80% of race engines around hear so i trust what he says...

dee 61
Dirt Roller

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posted July 16, 2005 09:47 AM  
oil is only what the driver wants. i have lost all kinda motors(valvoline castrol even chevron oil)valvoline 60 wght racing is my favorite pick it up at your local checker auto

J3
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posted July 17, 2005 10:29 AM  

Ok guys listen to this. I know you say that the oil wasn't why my motor blew last week. Well now I think it is. My motor didn't even have a whole season of racing on it yet. It ran purfectly fine while I was using Mobile 1. I changed and put the royal purple in and motor blew on first night. Not looking real good for the oil. Now, my dad also has a car almost identical to mine. His motor only had (notice I said HAD) 8 races on it. Motor was great, ran great, sounded great. Last week when I changed my oil I also changed his to royal purple as well. His car ran fine last weekend with the purple, but it blew last night. Now, that is 2 motors that have blown within 30 laps after putting royal purple oil in it. Their was nothing wrong with either one of them before the oil, and the oil was the only differance that was made, and then they blew. You will not be able to convince me that the oil was not the problem. I will never use any Royal Purple products again.

If you look at the oil specs page that I posted earlier on this post, you will see that it didn't score very well. I emailed royal purple and asked them for all the specs on thier oil. (VI, TBN, 4 Ball, Noack and a few others) They emailed me back and said I had no use for that information and that it didn't matter anyway because their oil is far superior to other oils. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't use a oil that refuses to give me the specs on the oil and just take their word that it is better. Sounds fishy to me. Just food for thought.

stockcar5
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posted July 17, 2005 02:24 PM  
someody should tell the cup/busch engine builder to stop using r/p ASAP or they are gonna start blowing motors left and right!

p.s i'd change engine builders.

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Eljojo
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posted July 17, 2005 05:39 PM  
This man is sitting home with two blown motors and you want to make a comment about the "Cup" engine builders? WOW! I hate to see what you'd post if his dog got run over.
IT's my belief that there is more contamination in our lubricants than most of us realize. I believe in changing oil and filters to remove those contaminants. Therefore the cost of Royal Purple puts it out of reach for repetitive changes. I like to run a 6 qt./ 2 qt mix of Valvoline 20-50 and Shell Rotella, with a cange due every 100 laps.

Racer98
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posted July 17, 2005 06:15 PM  
I use shaffers 20/50 synthetic. 3 years using it, change oil every 6 races, last motor had over 50 nites on it. Just my experiences.

sc1 racing
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posted July 17, 2005 06:18 PM  
i was checking out stats on nascar and havent seen one mention of r/p oil. not even on the napa car.

oil will destroy an engine. nevermind yall keep on praising it ill stick with my 129.19 a qt valvoline 50

stockcar5
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posted July 17, 2005 08:14 PM  
someody should tell the cup/busch engine builder to stop using r/p ASAP or they are gonna start blowing motors left and right!

p.s i'd change engine builders.

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stockcar5
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posted July 17, 2005 08:17 PM  
if the guy blamed his dog getting run over on the fact that he fed it different dog food i'd say the same thing! just ask steve hendren abo0ut r/p. i'm sure he wouldnt trust his $30k engines on cheap oil.

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J3
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posted July 17, 2005 10:39 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by stockcar5:
if the guy blamed his dog getting run over on the fact that he fed it different dog food i'd say the same thing! just ask steve hendren abo0ut r/p. i'm sure he wouldnt trust his $30k engines on cheap oil.


Actually, he does. It is not his 30K in the motor. If he is running RP he isn't paying for it or the motor. RP pays him to use their oil. If Castor oil (not Castrol) or Wesson (cooking oil) payed him enough money, he would use it. If RP wants to sponsor me and pay for all my oil and to rebuild motors, I will use their oil and complain about the engine builder everytime one blows.

Thanks jojo.



J3
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posted July 17, 2005 11:18 PM  
quote:
Originally posted by stockcar5:
if the guy blamed his dog getting run over on the fact that he fed it different dog food i'd say the same thing!

Stockcar, as a matter of fact, my dog did just get run over. When I came home from the track after blowing my second motor I was standing in the front yard cursing and screaming about the oil. Apparently, that scared the dog so he ran. Normally that would not be a bad thing except, he ran out in the road and got run over by a drunk driver. Right now I am still debating on who to blame. Should I blame the oil? After all, if my motor hadn't blown, I wouldn't have screamed, dog wouldn't have ran, he would still be alive. Or should I blame the beer company? If the guy wasn't drunk from consuming their beverage, he would have had the reflexes to avoid the dog. Should I blame the cops? If the cops would have caught the drunk driver, he wouldn't have been in front of my house at the exact moment I screamed (because of the oil) to scare the dog, to make him run in the street, to get run over. Should I blame the bartender? If he hadn't served the guy like 12 Jack and cokes in an hour and then let him drive instead of calling him a cab, my dog would still be alive. Or better yet, should I blame the car manufacture? If they made cars that wouldn't allow drunks to be able to start them, none of this would have happened. So, my question for you is, who do I blame? I don't blame the dog food, it didn't change. I don't blame the beer, beer hasn't changed. I don't blame the cops, they were still not around before this happened. I don't blame the bartender, he hasn't changed in the past 2 weeks. (and I don't wont him cutting me off after 2 drinks either) And I don't blame the car company. So if you don't mind (and even if you do) I think I will still just blame the oil. It makes me feel better.

[This message has been edited by J3 (edited July 17, 2005).]

Eljojo
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posted July 18, 2005 04:25 AM  
Could I have a lil toke off that J3?
ROFL!!!!!!!!

Steve Dupree
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posted July 18, 2005 05:00 AM  
Well this scares me to death just ordered 14 qrts fo RP. We have always run vavoline 60 racing oil and motor has looked perfect every time we have checked it. We are putting in our new motor we built and was going to try it because of more power and protection but now i am scared to try it. I guess i will have to see if someone aroung here wants to buy some RP because i would throw a fit if this stuff blew my motor. I cant beleive it would but things sure sound funny around here on this subject. We were going to try there 20/50 but dont know now.

ss99
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posted July 18, 2005 07:57 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by J3:
Stockcar, as a matter of fact, my dog did just get run over. When I came home from the track after blowing my second motor I was standing in the front yard cursing and screaming about the oil. Apparently, that scared the dog so he ran. Normally that would not be a bad thing except, he ran out in the road and got run over by a drunk driver. Right now I am still debating on who to blame. Should I blame the oil? After all, if my motor hadn't blown, I wouldn't have screamed, dog wouldn't have ran, he would still be alive. Or should I blame the beer company? If the guy wasn't drunk from consuming their beverage, he would have had the reflexes to avoid the dog. Should I blame the cops? If the cops would have caught the drunk driver, he wouldn't have been in front of my house at the exact moment I screamed (because of the oil) to scare the dog, to make him run in the street, to get run over. Should I blame the bartender? If he hadn't served the guy like 12 Jack and cokes in an hour and then let him drive instead of calling him a cab, my dog would still be alive. Or better yet, should I blame the car manufacture? If they made cars that wouldn't allow drunks to be able to start them, none of this would have happened. So, my question for you is, who do I blame? I don't blame the dog food, it didn't change. I don't blame the beer, beer hasn't changed. I don't blame the cops, they were still not around before this happened. I don't blame the bartender, he hasn't changed in the past 2 weeks. (and I don't wont him cutting me off after 2 drinks either) And I don't blame the car company. So if you don't mind (and even if you do) I think I will still just blame the oil. It makes me feel better.

[This message has been edited by J3 (edited July 17, 2005).]


Now that's funny right there! I do feel for you man. We lost 3 motors last season - first dropped a valve. Second broke a crank (poor chamfer). Third broke a rod (used stock rod.) None of them could really be attributed to anything but parts failures except the crank - poor machining. It definately creates a situation where you want to blame somebody or something, and you won't feel right unless you make some kind of change in your motors - oil, machinist, or something else. Better luck with the next motor.

J3
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posted July 18, 2005 09:32 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by Eljojo:
Could I have a lil toke off that J3?
ROFL!!!!!!!!

Sorry jojo, can't help ya there. I could fix ya a drink though. I was on my 3rd glass (8 oz glasses) of Jack and coke and thought, h3ll, why not. I did however forget one thing on that post. See below.

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rico 08
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posted July 18, 2005 11:37 AM  
I can't understand why people run an oil for years with no problems and all of a sudden decide to change..i've used valvoline 50wt since day one(12 years ago)and have never seen an oil related failure yet..
That said if i had a dry sump engine i MIGHT consider a synthetic,but in my engine the oil is going to get beat up bad so i use the thick dino oil...JMHO

racinfool
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posted July 18, 2005 07:37 PM  
J3 - That was amusing. You are very talented. .... Maybe the higher rpm's was the camel that broke the 'dogs' back??? Who know's. For me I started with Castrol 20-50W then my sponsor started suppling me with Pennzoil 20-50w and, in july/aug we use 50w. Change every two nights of racing. So far thumbs up! Never tried synthetic. LOL with your new engine.

Steve Dupree
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posted July 19, 2005 04:27 AM  
I have always use vavoline racing oil and never had a problem. The other day we called to order a fe wparts from summit and the tech guy i was talking to got on the subject so thats why i was going to try it. You noticed i said was going to try it lol I think i will stick to vavoline racing oil either 50 or 60 we have run both and never a problem forget about the extra power.

J3
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posted July 19, 2005 05:10 AM  
Yeah, extra power for a short time them BOOM!

    

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