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crc1124
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posted June 28, 2005 10:29 PM  
I was invited to look at a fellow racers car that was involved in a wreck this week. One of his crew wanted to show me the bent upper a arm and broken tie rod. This car is the fastest at our track and no one can keep up with him. So while I was looking at the broken suspension parts my eyes drifted up to the carb. Now our rules state a 2bbl. carb, rochester or holley only. His carb didn't look like anything I had ever seen. It was square and smooth on the side(no indentions from the venturi molds). It had what appeared to be a purple metering plate on the back of the carb. I couldn't see any fuel line (I was looking from the right side). When the crew member saw me staring at the carb he quickly put the hood back on. Does this sound like a predator carb? I've never seen one, but this was definitely square looking. I know he is running a 434 and needs alot of fuel.

What do you guys think and what would you do about it?

FlyNLoIMCA17
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posted June 29, 2005 12:03 AM  
I don't know about the purple metering block. Its been a while since I've seen a predator, but yes they look like a box! LOL Myself in your situation..... everyone is cheating somehow or another. If it was me and this guy was smoking everyone, every week and the only race was for 2nd. I'd probably say something about it. If he's a nice guy then just ask him about what you saw and ask about its legality. If he's a tard with his head up his differential LOL then maybe its best to protest. But remember, NEVER start what you can't finish. Meaning, if I was to protest him I would make sure my car was legal as could be. JMO

sc1 racing
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posted June 29, 2005 01:20 AM  
a preditor is just a sgquare box with no metering block..sounds like a demon carb to me.

hotrodenford
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posted June 29, 2005 11:28 AM  



 
Did it look like eather one of these? Ones a demon 500 2 brl and the other is a predator. I would think that both of these are illegal if you can't even run a holley 500. If I saw a competor running one of these, I would confront them. Some times them knowing that you know is enough for them to take it off.

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ss99
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posted June 29, 2005 02:04 PM  
Judging by his description, the predator would be the ticket.

Do you guys have a tech man at your track? If so, he might need glasses if he can't see that! LOL

Steve Dupree
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posted June 29, 2005 07:01 PM  
Yea i would have to say preditor too on that one,but if you would like a carb. and you cant run a holley i have several around 600 cfm 2 bbl. They are motorcraft 2100 series with choke horn or without i build them both ways and they are a beast of a carb. They out do a holley 4412 all the way. Drop me a line or call 505-544-5474. These are for the ford guys only sorry chevy guys lol PS we have ran a 4412 and its against our rules and these carbs put it to shame and its a autolite ford carb. We gained 700 rpm top end over a 4412 on a 5/16 size track with 15% banking.All carbs are tested on my 351w and depending on cubic inch and altitude are ready to go.

redneck racing
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posted June 29, 2005 09:50 PM  
Sounds like its a Predator carb to me, what to do Protest it, he is whooping everyone so cool his jets a bit rules are rules, I sent a e-mail to a track tech one time and it got answered by the promoter of the track, had made some statements about the illegal guy being his favorite, what an answer I got a full blown war between him and me and why I wont run his track, Oh well, I feel I won that battle, have moved on and am doing alot better without him and his track. Eddie

crc1124
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posted June 30, 2005 05:05 PM  
It's definitely the predator,not the demon. But if I say something then all **** will break loose. Someone on the track website was complaining about the tech and all they said was the promoter has the final say wether you race or not. Enough said.

juni
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posted June 30, 2005 08:10 PM  
I would make darn sure there is no loop holes in the rule book on this carb , then i would ask the guy who was showing you the suspension stuff what the carb is .Don't open a can of worms unless he realy is cheating,things like this can really come back and bite you in your but so be carfull.

ss99
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posted June 30, 2005 08:21 PM  
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Originally posted by crc1124:
It's definitely the predator,not the demon. But if I say something then all **** will break loose. Someone on the track website was complaining about the tech and all they said was the promoter has the final say wether you race or not. Enough said.

Man, if the tech guy can't spot a predator from a Holley or Roch., the place isn't worth racing at. I realize I don't have the whole picture, but what's been painted here isn't pretty. Are there any other tracks nearby?

One other thing - do a search on predator carbs. You won't find anyone saying they are worth a dang. That might not be his "secret", but who knows?

Eljojo
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posted July 01, 2005 04:35 AM  
If my rule book mandated that I run a two bbl carb and excluded Holleys, I'd certainly look into other carb mfgs. Just because you THINK the rules say that you have to run some POS carb, they may actually not. Read your rulebook very carefully-----searching for that loophole that the next guy doesn't see. Go to the driver/owner of the questioned car and talk to him (I didn't say "confront") You may have accidentally been in the position to have a nice secret shared with you!

ss99
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posted July 01, 2005 08:15 AM  
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Originally posted by Eljojo:
If my rule book mandated that I run a two bbl carb and excluded Holleys, I'd certainly look into other carb mfgs. Just because you THINK the rules say that you have to run some POS carb, they may actually not. Read your rulebook very carefully-----searching for that loophole that the next guy doesn't see. Go to the driver/owner of the questioned car and talk to him (I didn't say "confront") You may have accidentally been in the position to have a nice secret shared with you!


Maybe I missed something, but he said that their rules are "2bbl carb only - Rochester or Holley only."

Where's the loophole in that?

sc1 racing
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posted July 01, 2005 12:49 PM  
a preditor is one heck of a carb. i dont see how a stock car has enough engine for it to run right..but basicly a prditor is a 1 barrel....1 BIG barrel..

ill try to find a pic of the new demon carb it is more squared off and could be confused with the preditor if the air cleaner was on. but he mentioned a metering block thats what knocks the preditor out plus the fuel line is on the right side of the preditor..

what kind of engine rules do yall have? must be wide open..

o5racer
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posted July 01, 2005 09:12 PM  
Our carb rule says stock 4412 or any factory carb. no holley four barrrels. Can you find the loophole there?
Nick

ryan
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posted July 01, 2005 10:30 PM  
Is it that it doesn't say stock or unalterd factory carb? What do I win?? My track has the same rules.

A. Bighurry
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posted July 02, 2005 09:56 AM  
05racer, by the way it reads you could use a Quadrajet or Carter.

Eljojo
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posted July 02, 2005 04:41 PM  
My appology, I didn't read right! I thought he'd said "No Holleys".

    

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