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Author Topic:   Only Cheaters Win???
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 474
posted June 17, 2005 07:21 PM  
ok guys, heres a question for all you winners and front runners. Is it universal for dominant cars and drivers to be accused of cheating even after they have passed all the tech inspections numerous times? Our team was a regular bunch until we started winning consistently. Now when we win it seems that half of the teams want to yell about cheatin and the internet post are ridiculous. If our car had half the stuff we're accused of I could lap the field twice. I've even invited other drivers to look our car over but they still gossip like old women. How bout it out there with some of you guys??

Light it up, Baby!

Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted June 17, 2005 07:43 PM  
I been accused of cheating for three yrs. They didn't say anything for the 1st yr. after i started winning they kept changing the rules to screw us but we kept winning. For 06 they changed the rules to a min wheelbase too 106" are 3rd gen camaros are 101". what do you think?

Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 94
posted June 17, 2005 09:25 PM  
Our local street stock class has quite a few fast cars, and it's always a bit ironic that the people that cry foul are usually the ones watching in the stands. We have quite a few of these type who think that I'm running nitrous.....and it makes me want to roll on the floor laughing! There's always grey areas in the rules, and mechanics from the local level to Nextel Cup try to squeeze as much as they can out of their car, albeit motor, chassis, and so forth. I feel for our local tech guy at the track, they tech the top four after the main, and it's near impossible to go over all these cars with a fine toothed comb. They are making an effort to P&G, then tag the motors which might help some, but it is far from being perfect.

Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 968
posted June 18, 2005 05:10 AM  
You will find that to be universal in round trackin'. Have a little fun with it....I hung an external voltage regulator low on the firewall and ran some wires to it...painted it red, applied an MSD decal, filed the paint off the aluminum cooling fins...It was the oddest looking thing you ever was knowledgeable enough to know it was a duck decoy, but my competitors called it everything from traction control to a nitrous selenoid!!!

rico 08
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 1139
posted June 18, 2005 06:40 AM  
On my car the body has been replaced and on the floorpan i just overlapped the metal,the tech guy accused me of shortening the car!..they are really looking for ways to DQ me,funny thing is i pass 99% of the cars in the middle of the corner so obviously my car just out handles the other guys.It's a pure stock class with professionally built 421's and 430 c.i. monsters beleive it or not.

Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 94
posted June 18, 2005 09:23 AM  
I rolled my car back in august of 2003, and it crushed the body as well as quite a bit of the inner ribbing. I had no choice but to cut the inner stuff out, so I coould hang a new body. That was the biggest pain, especially doing it by myself. I make weight at the scales, but of course some people have to complain. The ones who complain, are either in the stands, or our washed up drivers, who would rather be hateful then ask questions. Asking questions, and spending time on the forum really helped me, maybe they could take a hint.

tin cup
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 40
posted June 19, 2005 11:10 AM  
Maybe your not cheating on the outside, but are you cheating on the inside? You know, light weight piston's, H- beam rod's and after market crank. They do that where I run. They only tech for stroke after 3 win's. That don't mean your not cheating inside. If your not cheating at all, kudo's to you. If your cheating, shame on you.

Dirt Freak

Total posts: 369
posted June 19, 2005 03:48 PM  
as the street racers say " race what you bring and hope you brought enough"

i don't condone cheaters but with enough money you can get around every rule or atleast the importnat ones

live and learn
and yes my car is with in every rule (except the one everyone else breaks "stock is stock" )

drive hard or drive home

Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 131
posted June 19, 2005 04:59 PM  
i like outrunning cheaters with my completely legal car.

Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 87
posted June 19, 2005 06:35 PM  
people if your winning you cheating thats what they all think lol lol

Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 94
posted June 19, 2005 07:29 PM  
My car has always followed the rules set forth by the track that I run at. We have a street stock association, and they have mandates, but I follow by the track rules, and if I'm uncertain about something, I always ask the tech official first, ,and if he is stumped....then the association president falls next in line. There are some that show up with illegal motors, and they are always easy to identify because two things; Exhaust sound pitch, and they almost always are people that don't run weekly. They have nothing to lose as far as points, so what the heck!

Dirt Freak

Total posts: 303
posted June 19, 2005 07:57 PM  
Only 2 kinds of racers,Cheaters and Losers.

Dirt Freak

Total posts: 369
posted June 19, 2005 08:23 PM  
i have a 327 that runs very well and screams by 406's 383's and everyone else
the exhaust pitch is very distinct but i also turn it 8000 rpm it is very legal with a 2bbl carb cast iron manifolds (both intake and exhaust) it pulls 17 inches of vacuum and only has 150 psi for compression
our track rules you must pull at least 15" @1000rpm and no more than 175 per cylinder

people get so mad when i beat them with less cubes (so we painted it hot pink) and tell them it is a 283 ROFLMAO

Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 94
posted June 19, 2005 09:04 PM  
I ran pretty well with a .060 over 327 end of last season, and it could probably keep me up in the top five on any night this year, although it's my back up, it did win me two main wins last year. Big heavy trw forged pistons, stock crank, and stock rod. Someone was trying to get me to admit to using a solid cam in my engines,(we are required hyd.cams), but the funny part is I've only tried a solid once, and with very disasterous results, the cam lobes on two cylinders went flat, and spring pressure, etc was per rules, and what you would run for the cam. I've always had luck with an isky cam that a local engine builder sales.

Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 48
posted June 20, 2005 07:14 AM  
Half of the fun is rule interpratation. Nothing like running in the gray area.
Just kidding Rules are there to keep it safe and competitive!

Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted June 21, 2005 10:55 PM  
First of all there is no such thing as a winning car that is not in the grey of some rules. That said i think all rules are made to be broken. **** it is a stock part off of something.


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