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Speedway65
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posted May 30, 2005 09:11 AM  
metric car 3000lb car is way loose when it is even tacky

Lf-900 rf-1000 no sway bar
lr-225 rr-200
Hoosier e mod tires only running about1.5 inchs of stagger.You can imagine how loose it got when it dried out.Need some help bad!


redneck racing
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posted May 30, 2005 10:06 AM  
Looks like you could use more stagger if you can get it and adjust the lr tire pressure. Eddie

Speedway65
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posted May 30, 2005 10:31 AM  
LR pressure is 13lbs and wont adding more stagger make the car even more loose?

jay116
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posted May 30, 2005 10:33 AM  
You guys are going to have to start saying where the car is loose at. Is it loose going in , comming off when you get on the gas in the middle. Where does it get loose on you at???

Speedway65
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posted May 30, 2005 12:44 PM  
Loose getting in and through the center.

Speedway65
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posted May 30, 2005 12:52 PM  

 
Here is a picture aid!

rico 08
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posted May 30, 2005 08:34 PM  
looks like it's rolling on the right rear,stiffer RF spring shoulf help alot.

beachracing
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posted May 31, 2005 04:50 AM  
close up your rear spring rates, 200 straight across, go up on right front, by 100 lbs.

iowa_dirt_track_girl
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posted May 31, 2005 03:45 PM  
Do you have weight jacks??
what are your spring weights in the car?

The Vanburen Rocket 22
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posted May 31, 2005 07:02 PM  
what are your pecentages? do you have any lead on the car?

Speedway65
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posted June 01, 2005 05:56 AM  
NO WEIGHT JACKS IN THE CAR AND I WILL POST THE % WHEN I GET THEM.And yes we have about 200lbs of lead in the car.

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carver101
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posted June 01, 2005 11:33 AM  
I have same setup and tires as you, except LF1000 instead of 900; when I am loose, I run my stagger tire on the right front instead of the right rear. You should try this, its very effective. If this tightens you up too much, then add some shims to the left rear spring(on the top of the spring, about 1/4 to 1/2 inch shims total at first)and put the stagger back on the RR.

carver101
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posted June 01, 2005 11:44 AM  
Adding to the above message, I should mention that my offsets on the left side are 3", my offset on the right front is 2" and the right rear is 4". So when I run my stagger on the front I must use a 2" offset wheel, Keeping my offset the same. Gotta have plenty of spare wheels and tires though. The next car I build I will offset with my rear end so I only have to keep 3" wheels as spares.

iowa_dirt_track_girl
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posted June 01, 2005 07:07 PM  
Personally I would swap the rear springs! This will tighten you up a ton going in and through the middle wich would make it half way decent comming off. With that much stagger its going to turn easy in the center of the corner but be looser comming off cause your rr is still wanting to drive more,kind of like a dixie cup when you roll it notice how it turns to the left same thing stagger does.

BUT DO ONE THING AT A TIME done swap springs and change offsets and stagger and all of that cause you will never know what did it.
Just go and swap your rear springs and you will find that it will BE a ton better I promise

Steve Dupree
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posted June 02, 2005 05:17 AM  
Did i miss a post dirt track girl he has 225lr 200rr how would swithing rear springs help him. It would make him worse need to watch what is typed hear some guys go and change these kind of things thinking that they got good advice. Maybe upping his front right spring would tighten the car but moving his rear springs would not.

iowa_dirt_track_girl
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posted June 02, 2005 03:28 PM  
No steve you didnt read that wrong a stiffer rr spring will tighten him up going in and in the middle

A stiffer left rear tightens the car from the middle off

So by switching the rear springs it will help him going in and after he gets a feel for it going in we can work on exit

oba51
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posted June 02, 2005 04:35 PM  
hmmmm idont think thats good advice if its real loose stiffen right front and go less on right rear has always worked for me. on a coil car lol iwish i had one right now

Steve Dupree
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posted June 02, 2005 04:40 PM  
Cool thats what i wanted to hear i think he might need to know he is going to be looser coming out and might not like that. Just wanted to make sure i was on the same page. Good post dirt track girl.

beachracing
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posted June 02, 2005 06:46 PM  
first off, he's loose on a tacky track, which isn't bad, unless it's too much. Try a 2' off on the left rear. The point of running straight up on springs is to get rid of the force being pushed off of the left rear, and onto the right side tire. Your pushing horizontally on the right rear, which pushes laterally on the tire, and it's sidewall. Now this can be taken care of by what I described, as well as centering the fuel cell, and in extreme cases actually positioning the cell to the right of center a few inches. Judging by the banking on your track, I would think going up to a 1100-1200 will help the roll issue on the right front. Try just the springs straight up, and see what happens. These cars are not modifieds putting out boat loads of torque.

iowa_dirt_track_girl
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posted June 02, 2005 07:01 PM  
HOLY COW a 2inch on the left rear are you trying to get this guy way out in left field?
never ever have I ever need to or wanted to put a 2inch on the left rear the only way I would,would be if the track was so slick and slow that I would need it to lay over on the left rear to be that tight comming off

i know what kind of cars these are I have been running them for 15yrs we are lucky if sometimes these things make 300 horsepower on a good day

Not good advice beach
I do agree on maybe uping the front a little w/o a sway bar

beachracing
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posted June 02, 2005 09:36 PM  
How often do you run on a dryslick track? Do you know what track conditions speedway has to set his car up to? It really doesn't concern me about how many years, and championships you have garnered. There are drivers from different areas, different track conditions, and different driving styles. What may have worked for you, may not work for another driver,.......everybodys different. I ran a 2" on the left for 2 years , and only recently have been using a 3", or 3.5. A 2 off is an option to tighten up the car. I race in New Mexico(an actual U.S. state), and right now our heats are tacky, so I run the wheel on the left rear tucked in, which acts (almost) like stagger, and it does work. His car, and the way it is leaning is exactly the way my car was when I first started racing. Changed , and went to a stiffer spring in the right front, and it made the car tighten up quite bit. When you run stagger, you want the rear to swing out, and when it dries up,....you run straight up, unless you have a very tight car, then running some is not bad, banking is also a factor. I'm not going to get into a hissy fit over others opinions. By the way, my car runs great with a 2" on a dryslick track!

ryan
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posted June 02, 2005 10:12 PM  
What kind of brake setup do you have if you have too high of rear bias or 3 wheel brakes that can cause a loose in condition. For me in my car a heavier rr spring make me looser or entry, but I use more rear bias and ocassionaly 3 wheel brakes to set the car into the corner and don't really have to turn the wheel much so I don't know if that would factor into anything or not.

iowa_dirt_track_girl
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posted June 02, 2005 10:39 PM  
Oh I dont know if ours is as slick as yours but its so glassy that you can se the cars glare off of it. The dirt is way different then yours also,so if its thats slick then yeah the 2off on the left rear would work.
Our driving style is probably different then most cause we drive our cars in the corners not toss them in.Well thats the way we drive in NEBRASAKA,IOWA,KANSAS,TEXAS,MISSOURI,ARKANSAS,SOUTHDAKOTA, which them are actual U.S. States that we race every year!

The reason I post the way I do is cause we have raced on so many differnt kinds of tracks and many various kinds of dirt. All of these metric cars work on the same bases its the driving style that you have to adjust to.

Not trying to knock you in anyway just letting you know that we have a very wide knowledge of MANY different tracks and driving stlyes.

iowa_dirt_track_girl

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