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oba51
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 41
posted May 09, 2005 07:51 AM  
run mono leaf car springs are 1000 lf 1200 rf 200lr 175 rr 52 %left 53%rear 48%cross got all the cross i can get and off sets are limited because run wide tires and it will rub springs if i set the right rear in to much. have tryed from 2 inchs of stagger to no stagger to get the car to tighten out of corner got it going in good but im getting left off because i cant get it to bite on the gas and off the corner thinking about reverse stagger but dont wanna screw with entry to much. right time you youch the gass it wants to come around with me please help im tired of this thing nothing i do makes the car act much diffrent.

marshalr
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 148
posted May 09, 2005 11:25 AM  
The big wide tires that you speak of, are they asphalt take offs ? I never liked them on my camaro, it was either horrible loose or terrible push.
When the track slicks overs for a main event and it's shiny black....i hook up my sway bar.
Look closely for a bind too, you may have something locking up in the rear.

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bryanb30
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 243
posted May 09, 2005 07:44 PM  
do you run lowering blocks? i used too but to get my camaro to lean over a lil more i took them out and sit the springs right on the spring perch, lets the car sit a lil higher and get more sidebite, might have a rr shock bottoming out too

Eljojo
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 968
posted May 10, 2005 04:17 AM  
Are you running coils on top of the axles to get the spring rates? ave you figured in the rates of the mono leafs with the coils?

wheel packer
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 11
posted May 10, 2005 06:23 AM  
not near enough rear%. also need about 250# of lr wheel weight. that will definatly tighten you off the corner

oba51
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 41
posted May 10, 2005 05:09 PM  
tires are new hoosiers tryed all compounds rear shows no sign of a bind ive tryed upto 54 percent rear weight. still lose as the world on the gas .

sstocker31
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 30
posted May 10, 2005 10:46 PM  
I'd put a 11/2" lowering block in the right rear spring, that should tighten it up.Make sure your rear end is square with frame as well.

El Santo
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 36
posted May 10, 2005 10:52 PM  
Try some 4 degree pinion shims on top of the lowering blocks. That 4 degrees of more pinion angle will make you hook up more off the corner. leaf springs LOVE pinion angle, but don't over-do it. Also make sure you have enough air gap between the frame and the rear of the springs. When the car rolls over in the corner, if it's too close it will bind up the RR spring and unhook the car.

oba51
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 41
posted May 11, 2005 05:09 AM  
run 2 inch block across the back now. to put a 1 1/2 block on that side would raise that side of the car that would hurt exit right?

oba51
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 41
posted May 11, 2005 08:31 AM  
oh yeah already have the 4 gegree pinion shim . im running out of things to try. bout the only thing left to do is just load the left rear with a ton of weight i guess and see what happens

bar11ellie
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 4
posted May 11, 2005 10:16 AM  
none of my bus., but would using a wheel spacer 1/2 inch or 1 1/2 inches on left rear help preload rear to tighten car off corner , I'm not sure ,still learning this stuff myself. Waiting for reply, because have similar trouble with my CAMARO going into turns 1 & 3.

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oba51
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 41
posted May 11, 2005 11:13 AM  
ive tryed setting the left rear out with a 2inch off set wheel had it hung out in no mans land and still loose on the gas

racer19x
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 26
posted May 11, 2005 11:19 AM  
try taking the left lowering block out, that should up your croos wieght, i would think

Flanndad
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 255
posted May 11, 2005 11:50 AM  
I run coils so I'm not sure about this, but if you already 2" lowering blocks across the back, I can't see the side bite on the right rear.
Why not try a 1/2" block on the LR, don't you want to raise the LR to help create roll and side bite on the RR.

HAMMER IT
Dirt Newbie

Total posts: 1
posted May 11, 2005 09:10 PM  
YOU NEED MORE CROSS IN THE CAR.HOW MUCH BITE DOES YOUR CAR HAVE YOU NEED BITE TO COME OFF THE CORNERS

JYD97RACE
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 8
posted May 11, 2005 10:09 PM  
Hammerit is right. You need move bite in the car. How's it going into the corner? If you could get the rear % up to 55 & get more lift bite.You should be ok. How do you ajust the rear now? We also ran a half leaf spring from the lowering block to the front. It didn't go to the back of the car it worked like a traction bar. You can load it on the lift side and that'll help transfer wate off the corner. Tape the spring and you can't see it at all.
1-up the rear %
2-More bite!!!!!!!!!!!!
3-Ajust the car with very little stager when it pushes add stager.
Good luck

sstocker31
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 30
posted May 11, 2005 10:22 PM  
I didn't realize you were running lowering blocks already. I agree with 19x about removing the left rear block or at least replacing it with a 1" block to start and see what results you get. doing this will add bite to the left rear and make it work harder.

te33
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 237
posted May 13, 2005 04:00 PM  
string the car,make sure it's square.if you have even BRUSHED the wall with the rear tires it can cause the front of the leaf spring to unwind just a little bit,causing the right side wheelbase to increase.inducing a loose cond.that all the lowering blocks and weight changes in the world will not correct.when you climb on the gas this cond. will really show it's self.i would string the car,and regardless of what that said ,i would pull both rear springs a give the the frontloop a really good looking over.if it has unwound a little you can take it to a spring shop and they can put the proper loop back in it.i've had mine fixed for less than $15.

Eljojo
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 968
posted May 14, 2005 05:44 AM  
I removed the stack leafs from my Camaro this week and learned two things. First off, when I measured from the front eyelet to the pin, there was almost an inch difference between the right and left springs. I had squared the rear end and had been using an adjustable block to reduce the lead in the right spring. I thought that I had mounted the spring cup wrong in the chassis when I built the car. Second, and more important, I found a shiney spot on top of the left spring. Upon inspection I found that the bracing I'd installed when setting back the cage was binding against the spring. I couldn't believe how far a spring would wrap to get to that brace!

    

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