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AtomicPunk
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 130
posted March 15, 2005 09:05 AM  
Why does everyone get all ****ed at the guy who makes a claim? Even though the claim was for the right reason, ie: someone stomps everyone with his gazillion $$$ motor and gets claimed. Isn't that the purpose of the claim rule? I understand that at someplaces like in maybe Iowa and Nebraska pretty much the top 4 get claimed every week. How do you feel about that? This is probably gonna open a can o' worms...

dirtbuster
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 2007
posted March 15, 2005 09:17 AM  
Because a lot of times the guy getting claimed doesnt have as big a motor as everyone thinks. He jsut has the car setup better. The guy doing the claiming wont admit he cant get the car right or drive as well so it must be the motor holding him back. He makes the claim and then what do you know the next week with the so called bigger motor he still finishes where he always does if not furthur back.

Plus take our team for example even though we run a modified it is the same principle in other classes. Everyone works 40-60 hours. We dont have time to build claimer motors that may make it a few weeks before breaking and then have to build another one. We dont spend a ton of money on them but we build a decent one that will last all year, tear it down and go again hopefully another year or 2. All the extra time we would have to spend on motors can now be used making the car better, thats where the consistent speed is.

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stevenm
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted March 15, 2005 09:18 AM  
In the hobby stock class at our track all can be claimed is the distributor and shocks only once a year by the same claimer.I call it wanting something for nothing.

Stevenm.

stevenm
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted March 15, 2005 09:22 AM  
Hey dirtbuster nothing wrong with claimer engine parts if put together right I have seen a set of claimer pistons last as long as forged pistons and running right along with them also.The trick is dont run the engine lean and set the timing right.

Stevenm.

shadowsarge
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 60
posted March 15, 2005 09:24 AM  
I don't have a problem with claiming provided I'm claimed by someone with decent equipment. I don't want to build a good legal motor and be claimed by someone who just threw together a piece of junk. My personal opinion is - only cars finishing near the top of the field should be able to claim.

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shadowsarge
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 60
posted March 15, 2005 09:28 AM  
Another thing-a limit should be set on how many times someone can claim. Don't try to build your car using someone elses parts and hard work. Learn to build it yourself or get out of racing.

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AtomicPunk
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 130
posted March 15, 2005 09:29 AM  
I haven't claimed, but been claimed tho...
in the same scenario you described, Dirtbuster.

Here's a funny one; guy running expensive QA1s claims my shocks one time and got ****ed at ME cuz I was running $59 Proshocks that had probably 30 nites on 'em. I was like, go ahead take 'em, I was lmao all the way to MWM with my claim money.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted March 15, 2005 10:21 AM  
I brought this up once with a veteran modified driver. His response was if you get mad when you are claimed then why do you knowingly race in a claim division? He had a point. We had an issue where a guy claimed and the claimee and his buddies made it real tough racing for the next few but why don't they just claim it back? oh well, it is how it is.

stevenm
Dirt Full Roller

Total posts: 43
posted March 15, 2005 08:22 PM  
Claimer pistions and rods and crank with a good set of heads and cam and car setup is as good as all the high dollar stuff anyday.

Stevenm.

ISTOCK-FAN
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 9
posted March 15, 2005 10:18 PM  
Dont have a problem with claim u know the rules when you go out on the track. We race IMCA and theres a limit to how many times u can claim. You got 3 claims in and you can claim shocks, carbs, and motors. But the 3rd claim the guy you are claiming can has the option to swap but only on the 3rd claim. And from what ive heard but dont know if its true say you are really fast and you get claimed 7 times a year you can claim 7 motors on top of the three you can already claim. thats what ive anyway but doesnt seem right to me.

backwoodsracer
Dirt Forum Racer

Total posts: 88
posted March 16, 2005 05:44 AM  
We have a claim rule at our track also but over the years there has been sort of a gentlemans agreement on it and nobody has claimed an engine in five years or so.The only problem is it only takes one to get the ball rolling and since there has not been a claim in so long there are some high dollar engines out there every night.

juni
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 184
posted March 16, 2005 06:55 AM  
I have lost a carb to the claim rule . It didn't make me slower or the other guy faster . I think the claim rule was made for a good reason but it does not really work . Most people are not out motored they are out handled or out driven there is no better win then with a cheep motor over a guy who spent 3 or 4 thousand of his hard earned money.We have had several claims over the years most were for points chase reasons or spite both are for the wrong reasons.

Ego Racing
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Total posts: 724
posted March 16, 2005 07:08 AM  
A new series at the local track here has a carb claim and it is the first one I have seen that make ALOT of sence. You can claim anyones carb as long as you finish on the lead lap. Rules read "unmodified Holley 4412 500cfm carb, Do not need choke plate but it must be stock, No machining or cutting. To claim the carb you will need $25 and a NEW UNOPENED Holley 4412 500CFM TWO bbl carb. You goto tech and give them the carb and the money and you get his carb when the tech guys remove it. The driver being claimed gets $20 and the new carb. $5 goes to the tech guy.

juni
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 184
posted March 16, 2005 03:21 PM  
NOW THATS A COOL RULE LET US KNOW IF ANY ONE CLAIMS ANY. LOL

o5racer
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 402
posted March 16, 2005 06:42 PM  
I still believe that the motor claim rule solves nothing. The guy with a huge budget will have 5 high dollar motors lined up at the shop. If he gets claimed he doesent care, he has another. The guy on a limited budget might only have one good motor and maybe a so-so spare. If he gets claimed its a big deal to him. What is wrong with having rules and just teching? For the $400 that you get in IMCA they might as well just kick you in the junk and take it. What can you put together for $400?
Nick

77k
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 174
posted March 19, 2005 12:32 AM  
A claim/swap rule will keep it closer. A lot of times it will help the small racer. They pulled our claim one year and a big budget racer won most of the races. The next year they put the claim back in and after he got those 5 high dollar motors claimed he racing with the rest of the pack.

iowa_dirt_track_girl
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 461
posted March 19, 2005 02:32 AM  
boy here we go with the claim thing again

We have been claimed 36 times in the past 7 years (yes you read that right 36 times)
You know we still have more feature wins then anybody else in the class in history
Plus we still build our own motors.
Yes granted we are in the hobby division but you know what it dont matter they keep claiming them and we get them right back
If you dont want your motor claimed then you need not be in IMCA OR dont run int the top 4 each night

So what some of you guys are saying is that if we came to your track and out run the best car that you have there you wouldnt want to claim us to see what we had in our motor? Come on guys you know you would who are you kidding!

What I want to know is why is it that we can build 3 to 400 dollar motors WIN pretty much all the time and still have our motor claim never back up to keep out of the claim plus never gripe or complain that our motor is getting bought (and yes we are on a very tight budget) and still have fun racing

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merlinmech2
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 131
posted March 19, 2005 06:07 AM  
listen sister, if you've been claimed 37 times,(seems you got claimed once while typing your message) you have no idea what a TIGHT budget is.

way2fast72
Dirt Freak

Total posts: 303
posted March 19, 2005 07:25 AM  
I dont know who any of you people are, but merlin, thats funny!!!LOL

AtomicPunk
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 130
posted March 19, 2005 09:12 AM  
Okay...I'm with BB and Iowa on this one. If you you don't wanna be claimed don't race IMCA. I race an I-Stock, have never claimed, had my shocks claimed once. Is the claim rule perfect? No. Has anyone ever participated in any organized activity and agreed with ALL the rules? I doubt it. When used properly the claim serves a very good purpose of keeping the cost down. 77k's post proves the point. Most cases high $$ big cube motors can be outraced by small budget smaller motors because of set-up and driver ablilty. The hockey pucks and lil bitty carb IMCA make us run puts the emphasis on that.

racer17j
Dirt Forum Champ
Total posts: 5390
posted March 19, 2005 09:28 AM  
I agree if you dont wanna be claimed, run where there is no claim rule. The only one winning is the promoter with a claim rule anyway because he dont have to worry about teching the motors, or having someone to do it. The whole concept is about making racing more even and they really coudnt care less what it cost us because they know for everyone of us that cant afford to spend thousands and thousands of dollars just to say we win, there are two more who can.the crate motor deal is coming on like gangbusters around here, but it wont work WITHOUT a claim rule and there is none. everone knows there are engine builders certified to service the gm crate engines who will give you another 100 horsepower for another 5 grand. with a claim rule they cant do it. for example you buy a GM 602 crate engine for 3000.00 bucks at the chevy dealer and spank the field on saturday nite. if the guy who ran second wants to claim you and the price is 3100.00 dollars, you can let em have it and go get a new one on monday. on the other hand if you have 8000.00 dollars in a cheater crate motor, you might be able to afford to do it, but you are taking a chance on getting caught and the engine builder will too. you get a bad rep, and he gets the rep, a large fine, and loses his GM crate engine program license. The only real solution to any of this is to have several divisions as always with the lowest one being very affordable and reasonable but conservative rules in all of em, and TECH TECH TECH and more TECH!!!

develish
Dirt Roller

Total posts: 6
posted March 21, 2005 09:33 PM  
we lost our claim rule and our class has gone to **** .we started the tuuck class as a dirt cheep class,a couple of big buck racers took over.the first rule was "stock is stock ,this means stock",one of them got caught with racing fuel and had to go back to preameum an kept melting his pistons,but still swears its stock.we had a $500 claim rule and theese guys got rid of it.we went from 14-15 trucks a nite to 6 or 7.all the low dollar guys cant afford it any more.

shifty8
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 123
posted March 22, 2005 07:38 PM  
we dont have the engine claim rule just the shocks u can claim everything else is tear down. $350 bones tears engine to the ground if ur legal u get $300 if not the 1 doing the tear down gets $300 back with $50 to the track for use of the shop and tech guys to confirm parts. i think it is a better deal than a claim rule u get to keep ur stuff but at the same time helps keep u legal. if foung illegal 3 time in 1 season u r done for the year and will have a fine to pay before returning the next season i think that is very fair.

AtomicPunk
Dirt Maniac

Total posts: 130
posted March 22, 2005 08:24 PM  
Why wouldn't a swap type claim work. Similar to IMCA but instead of $425, say $100 (to the wrecker) and a swap. I'm sure it has its drawbacks tho...

    

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