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Blind Barney
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posted March 04, 2005 09:47 PM  
Has anyone tried the G-Force head and neck restraint system? I am well aware that it is not as good as Hans or Hutchins. It looks sufficient for what I am doing and something is better than nothing. It looks like you would be able to turn your head side to side somewhat, can you?

rocket36
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posted March 05, 2005 01:41 AM  
yes, been using one all season, in our open dirt latemodel. it seems quite good, though you would be very surprised at how much it does limit your movement once strapped in the car (but that is the basic principle).

bobaluuu
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posted March 06, 2005 07:00 PM  

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I have a brand new one I am willing to sell
you at a tremendous discount. It has never been fitted so you will be able to get the custom fit that is required so it will function properly. The only reason Im selling it is because my sponsor has provided
me with a complete helmet to shoes setup. I bought the g-force system in fall 04 . Pm or im or email me and we can come to terms,
bob
Ps two of my buddies talked me into trying their setup before buying my own and I wish
my newPyrotect safety wear could adapt to it.

[This message has been edited by bobaluuu (edited March 06, 2005).]

sjakes
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posted March 07, 2005 06:26 AM  
BlindBarney, I am glad to see you are at least trying to put the right foot forward.

My only arguement is, for the money involved in buying a new G Force helmet and the G force neck restraint. You could almost have paid for the Hans Device. Assuming you have a racing helmet now.

Believe me through the off season, I went round and round about this one. I looked for every excuse not to spend the $700-$800 on a head/neck restraint. Well, its not that I didn't want it, it was just the cost involved.

At any rate, like you I was on board for the G Force because it was a restraint and it was cost effective(kind of).

I was just about to purchase the G Force, not for its raving reviews, or my assured confidence of its dependablity in a crash, but because I would save $100-$200, and I would be protected,(kind of).

This was my mentality right up until I showed my wife and son the G Force device photos, my son said, oh yeah just like nascar guys wear. I went on to tell him, kind of, but its a cheaper version. My wife questioned it, but the end decision was due to comment of my 6 yr old son. He said Dad, if you buy a cheaper version and you have another bad crash will you die like Dale Earnhardt?

I don't know if you have kids or not, but to have it blatenly in my face like that. I had a reality check, if I was questioning my safety already, why would I take a chance of saving $100-$200? Don't get me wrong it still was the most difficult racing purchase/decision I have had to make yet.

Every racer wants to buy something to give them an edge on the track, yet the Hans or any safety device will reep no benefits while in competition, but for myself, it is no longer about just the competition. So I will run a motor/other part that isn't upgraded from last year for the simple fact of I did everything in my power to make sure I can run this year, next year, so on so forth.

Also I hoped that I sent the right message to my son that is just getting into the racing thing this year in a kart.

Saving money and buying a new upgrade/edge is always important, but if I won a couple races or even a championship because of that edge I gained, and the following week I was in a nasty crash and am now injured severly or paralyzed, what is that trophy really worth on the tv?

To me, my trophies are at home and are living breathing, not plastic, and I'll spend the $800 and run a motor that should've been replaced to know I was as proactive in safety as I could have been!

Sorry to go on forever, but I feel that strong about this.

If you need contact information for Hans Device in the Upper Midwest, visit my website, or pm me I have all the contact info to help you out.

Thanks
Shawn

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Blind Barney
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posted March 07, 2005 07:53 AM  
I sent a note to G-Force yesterday with some questions and one of them was if it fit any helmet make. I am in the same predicament you were. I am wanting to do something but $900 U.S. is about $1200 CDN for a HANS and there is all kinds of remarks that could follow the gripe of the cost. I race a hobby at a very small 1/4 mile track and I just cannot see too much going wrong but I wouldn't be the first guy to think that. What is attractive about the G-Force is that it looks like you can look side to side which is good for a division with no mirros and I am not sure you can look side to side in the HANS. I'll have to do something for the upcoming year.

sjakes
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posted March 07, 2005 10:00 AM  
Blind to help you out, my decision was based on my 3 wrecks last year in a Hobby Stock. I spent my share in the chiropractor in the off season and just decided that it was the right decision to me. Don't be fooled of the force of any impact.

About the mobility, with my Hans I can look as far side to side as I do when racing. Yes there is a point that there is a limit, but you do have mobility side to side.

I'm sure you'll make the right decision for yourself. If you have any questions that I can help with, let me know.

Shawn

rocket36
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posted March 07, 2005 10:10 AM  
once the g-force is adjusted correctly, you are quite limited to side ways movement. i use myine in conjunction with a "collar" as well for some extra support.
the g-force unit can only be fitted to g-force helmets.

something to think about with your dollars.
do you spend the extra money on a hans and then have it fitted to an older, most likely cheaper helmet that you already own. or do you spend a little less but also purchase a brand new helmet to suit the g-force.
remember that the hans can only be fitted by an authorised agent.

i would suggest that you look thouroughly at you own application as you may find some of the head & neck restraints may be impractical for you and your car (without modification).

i chose the g-force because it is the most simple and when your harness is undone it is completely free from any restraining, and i still find it difficult to enter & exit the car with it on, as the window openings are quite small in a latemodel and it is quite easy to get the "reaction rod" caught under the interior panelling.

if i were to use a hans, there is no way that i could exit the vehicle wearing my helmet.

do your research carefully. and purchase what suits your needs.

bobaluuu
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posted March 07, 2005 09:08 PM  
rocket I'm with you. practically impossible
to get out of car with just helmet on and while the reaction bar did snag it didnt hold me back. next try I unstrapped the helmet and dumped it inside and got out safer and faster. nascar guys dont have to deal with "track safety personnel" who are so incompetent that they are a detriment to
our safety rather than an assett. I firmly believe the hans will be nearly impossible
to exit quickly in without hanging up the driver.

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sjakes
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posted March 08, 2005 04:08 AM  
quote:
Originally posted by rocket36:
remember that the hans can only be fitted by an authorised agent.



rocket36, I respect your input. Only thing is some of your info is a bit incorrect. Anyone with some basic skills of measuring 2 spots and drilling 2 holes can install everything needed for the Hans.

I believe what you may be referring to is if you purchased a Hans before late 2004 or current 2005 you have to send the Hans into a licensed Hans Dealer to retro fit it for the SFI Certification or whatever Certification they just upgraded to. This is just mainly for Nascar Sanctioning alhtough. It has nothing to do with the installation process.

I did the installation on mine and it was a breeze. Hans even told me only about 5% of the people that buy the device has Hans put the mounts on their helmet.

I also agree if you have an outdated helmet that needs to be replaced then thats an additional decision.


rocket36
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posted March 08, 2005 07:13 AM  
there are several different manufacturers of the hans (or versions of it) schroth & safety solutions are just 2 that come to mind.
when i was in the market to purchase a device at the start of our season, all my research told me that the hans had to be fitted by an authorised and trained agent, often the retail outlet.
unfortunately ther is a little more to fitting one than just drilling a couple of holes. it is essential that the holes are located 100% accurately for the device to work as designed.
also, after a great deal of research i found that drilling into most brands of helmets voids any warranties. the only helmet that i could find that was actually designed to be fitted with a hans was made by schuberth at around $15,000. (same as michael schumacher wears).
i think all the head & neck restraint devices a good in their own right but be sure to purchase the one that suits your needs best.

widebody
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posted March 08, 2005 07:13 PM  
I hate to even argue with people about saftey. Its one of those things, you either value your safety or you dont. You either know people who have been hurt or you just ignore it.
I have a great wife, a house and few years of college. I have an investment in my brain, I think the cost of a HANS is cheap insurance. I think my head is worth it.. Do you think yours is? Only you can answer that. Race safe in 05.

racer17j
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posted March 08, 2005 08:50 PM  
Hoss, I sure wish you'd enlighten the rest of us with your knowledge of technical data
about the performance of g-force vs other manufacturers being tested under equal conditions.

racer17j
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posted March 09, 2005 07:57 PM  
fair enuf answer, my apologies for being quick on the keyboard. I read somewhere about restraint of pen and ink being the
mark of a gentleman, maybe I need to heed tht advice.

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racer17j
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posted March 09, 2005 09:47 PM  
Just to clearify the install on the HANS, It takes about an hour, if you can wheel a stock car than you can install one, its a simple install on ANY helmet. The mounting hardware is reusable and additional mounts can be bought for $50.. This allows more than one driver/helmet to use the hans. Not at the same time, im sure theres a resaon that wont work!!!.

I have the sled test mpeg files that came with mine, if anyone wants to see it, they are out on the net also if you search for it... Its an eye opener to say the least..

Blind Barney; Ill look at my litature, that showed the same tests using the G-Force and the Hutchins.

PROPER BELT MOUNTING!!!!!!
I had to sign a waiver stating the rep properly explained the use and belt mounting of the HANS. Point being it wont work if the belts are installed wrong. Most of these sytems are design around your current saftey belt system. Think about it!
TIPS:
Mounting belts in a double shear design, allows the belts to pivot and maintain the correct angle to your hips, this allows your belts to be as tight and SHORT as possible.
Move your mounting points as close to yourself as possible. belt stretch is scarry.
The new polyester belts dont stretch nearly as much as the others.
Remove the belts from the car over the winter. UV "rotts" the belts over time.
Lacing the belts into the adjusters has to be done right.
Your car is a saftey "system", it follows the chain theory, only as strong as the weakest link. Everything has to be tip-top, not just buy a device wear it and all is good..

sjakes
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posted March 10, 2005 10:09 AM  
well put Widebody!

istock59
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posted March 10, 2005 01:14 PM  
I've been reading this thread for a while, but haven't said anything. First off, sjakes, I'm not bashing on you directly, it's more of a hypothetical post. I think it's great that your giving the Hans a try. I look forward to hearing what you have to say later in the season.

It's like widebody says, it's all about the combination of your safety equipment. What sense would it make to buy a Hans at $800, but then you use an old aluminum seat without the latest neck and shoulder restraints? Or you race using a cheapy 1-layer driving suit, that's 10 years old? Or how many of us race without on-board fire systems? I'd say most of us do! Shouldn't fire be a big safety concern too? Or do you replace you're belts every 2 years, like they want? Or do you try to get another year or so out of them?

I guess my point is, spending $800 on a Hans is great if and only if your other safety equipment is at the same level. Make sure you've covered the basics first.

sjakes
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posted March 11, 2005 05:19 AM  
Istock59 I agree, but to answer from a personal level. My reasoning is because of my own issue from the past season. My neck got beat up pretty bad in multiple crashes this last season, so for me and only me, I feel it was my best decision.

I also agree, its a combined effort to be safe. Meaning multiple components; seat, race suit; helmet etc. For me, all other items are either new or recently new, so I had to purchase a piece at a time. At this time I decided the Hans would give me the most protection at this time. My next item I would like to get is a better seat. Joie of Seat or something on that line.

Your right although and I agree with your comments.

bobaluuu
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posted March 13, 2005 08:24 PM  

I think this debate is really getting out in left field. If you can afford that more expensive system and are comfortable that it is compatable with the rest of your safety
equipment, then by all means dive off that cliff. But if the less expensive system is the only thing within someones reach I.E.
G-force then let them feel they have made a
sound decision. Its certainly better equipment than 95% of the competitors I race against use. I see them everyweekend, late model drivers using single layer suits that
are holey and wearing tennis shoes. Get down to our class and some dont even wear
suits, even if it is mandantory.

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